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      11-06-2022, 06:40 PM   #23
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I think at this price point this is probably the most luxurious interior you can get with the most modern tech. The dash main screen actually seem to be more incorporated rather then like M3 where it's just sitting there on top.
Personally I like the crystal knobs. Finishes look very high end.
Personally I don't care so much about massive screen in the back but obviously whoever would be transported would enjoy all that.
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front end is like 2 cars smashed on top of each other 🤮
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If I pretend the lower lights aren't there I can almost like the front.
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The face looks good to me.
And the dashboard? You mean the interior? Literally best I’ve ever seen on any car, ever.
I think it looks better than all the Bentleys and Rolls Royces.
I think it’s the only design that truly blends luxury and modern & tech focused designed.
For me, that face is horrendous. Like the guy said Citroen Picasso much?

The dash board is absolutely disgustingly ugly. I mean really, really ugly. Interior is nice if I look at the seats. The rest is meh…
Too bad as the car must be nice (the NA one, as I dont care about electric).
Good cars dressed from Thrift Store…

Oh! One more thing: for me, both, Bentley and Rolls Royce are not my coup of tea and never been. Too much Ludovic XVI furniture and door knobs…
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CarWow…
Now people that are saying it was not designed with China market in mind can be quiet…

And… the face and the dashboard are UGLY!

I am the single one tat finds chrystal switches on the kitschy side…?
It's clear BMW is no longer the brand for you.
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I'm a BMW enthusiast. I even work for them. But the front end on this new 7 series is just something.
Agree completely. The front end is a turn off.
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I'm a BMW enthusiast. I even work for them. But the front end on this new 7 series is just something.
The front deservedly gets a lot of ire, but I also don't like the rear. It's plain and doesn't look befitting a flagship executive sedan. I think black masks most of the styling deficiencies, but it just doesn't have the classic beauty and executive presence of the S-class.

Now on the topic of the electric models...Mercedes isn't even in the same discussion. That car is a complete fail in comparison, in every measurable way.
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You would think they would put a digital backup camera in regards to the tv covering up the view. Seems like a major oversight
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This car is probably the largest leap forward for the brand on any model change over since Y2K. Without having read anything about it yet from road testers, just watched the carwow vid, i feel that this time around they have left competition in the dust.
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This car is probably the largest leap forward for the brand on any model change over since Y2K. Without having read anything about it yet from road testers, just watched the carwow vid, i feel that this time around they have left competition in the dust.
While admittedly having much fewer toys and gadgets, I would pick a Lucid Dream Air edition over this, because of the driving characteristics, power, and range.

BMW and Mercedes are still playing catch up IMO. Let’s hope they will still be relevant by the time they catch up to the innovations in the EV world.
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Just horrid

This is a horrid design irrespective of color. The tech is above board but wow this is such a disappointment on the artistic design level that I'm lost for words. What are you doing BMW design team?
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The front deservedly gets a lot of ire, but I also don't like the rear. It's plain and doesn't look befitting a flagship executive sedan. I think black masks most of the styling deficiencies, but it just doesn't have the classic beauty and executive presence of the S-class.

Now on the topic of the electric models...Mercedes isn't even in the same discussion. That car is a complete fail in comparison, in every measurable way.
I test drove a S class a few months ago. I do like the S class more classical design but when I got back into my G12 I immediately realized how much better the driving experience was in the BMW. The MB electronics were improved over their older MBux systems, but still nowhere near BMWs ergonomics. I would not go so far as to say the S class is a complete fail -- and it will likely continue to outsell the 7, but for me it was an easy choice, notwithstanding the controversial styling. I'm not buying an object of art to hang on the wall and the 7 is just better to drive.
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CarWow…
Now people that are saying it was not designed with China market in mind can be quiet…

And… the face and the dashboard are UGLY!

I am the single one tat finds chrystal switches on the kitschy side…?
He also said he liked the way it looks - maybe he's Euro white with Chinese blood?

When a group of people buys 45% of a product, of course the company listens to that group. But you want to be racist and refer to the Chinese having tacky, bad taste.
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People posting previously that the car looks like it was designed for the Chinese market were right. In the CarWow video Matt said BMW expects over 40% of global sales to be in China and that the car was designed for a 38 year old target demographic in that country.
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This is a horrid design irrespective of color. The tech is above board but wow this is such a disappointment on the artistic design level that I'm lost for words. What are you doing BMW design team?
Car design vs. product design. Unfortunately BMW's focus is more the latter.
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People posting previously that the car looks like it was designed for the Chinese market were right. In the CarWow video Matt said BMW expects over 40% of global sales to be in China and that the car was designed for a 38 year old target demographic in that country.
He also said immediately after that....that he liked it. A supposedly superior taste white guy.
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People posting previously that the car looks like it was designed for the Chinese market were right. In the CarWow video Matt said BMW expects over 40% of global sales to be in China and that the car was designed for a 38 year old target demographic in that country.
He also said immediately after that....that he liked it. A supposedly superior taste white guy.
Not sure what your post is supposed to imply? Does it not make sense that people from different cultures might have different tastes in design? Look at architecture around the world, different tastes/styles is what makes the world interesting.
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The face looks good to me.
And the dashboard? You mean the interior? Literally best I’ve ever seen on any car, ever.
I think it looks better than all the Bentleys and Rolls Royces.
I think it’s the only design that truly blends luxury and modern & tech focused designed.
Are you Chinese? Because it was designed for the tacky and inferior taste Chinese [sarcasm]
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This car is probably the largest leap forward for the brand on any model change over since Y2K. Without having read anything about it yet from road testers, just watched the carwow vid, i feel that this time around they have left competition in the dust.
Agree. I've not driven either so I reserve judgement until then, but from the reviews and reading between the lines, I feel like this is the first time in a very long time that BMW's flagship is in front of the S Class. Certainly this seems to absolutely blow the EQS sedan out of the water by a mile.

I do not like the front end in pictures, as I really don't like the "divorced" DRL / headlight look on any car. But the proportions of the car very much suggest a Rolls Royce look, while the S class looks very much like a giant C class, rather than the other way around. Not good. The S class interior's screen layout doesn't do it for me either. I'm not anti-screen in the least, but the current Merc. layout seems disjointed and "tablet" like. I do think, though, that Merc wins on actual gauge layout and customization. I think they are industry leading there.

But yeah, front end look aside, I think BMW has really upped their game with this car. Especially in i7 form.
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I love this car.
I've been very critical of BMW design for the past few years, but this one looks just right to me; and the reviews are mostly great!
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He also said he liked the way it looks - maybe he's Euro white with Chinese blood?

When a group of people buys 45% of a product, of course the company listens to that group. But you want to be racist and refer to the Chinese having tacky, bad taste.
Firstly,
Twisting my words the way you like it it doesn’t mean that is what I said. For a very long time, everyone is saying that no, the Chinese market has nothing to do with it. The guy confirmed it does. My comment came as a response to the permannent refusal to accept that BMW took some decisions based on the market that is more important.

Secondly,
Taste is one thing,the need of blink to showoff the status, is another. It is more complicated than it looks and is not necessary related to China only. Many ex communist countries that had the door open are going through a similar process after decades of enclosure. Maybe you should get mor familiar with the subject?
Plenty of articles on this, just start reading.
http://en.chinaculture.org/focus/foc...ent_492842.htm

https://www.businessinsider.com/chin...11-9?r=US&IR=T

Thirdly,
I don’t care if a gorup of 45% buys a product. It means nothing to me. I am not a sheep. All I care is if it does fit my taste, my requirements and represents me as an individual, from the design point of view to the technical point of view. Plus I like to be happy anytime my eye meets my car. This one doen’t.

The overall design of this car is not the elegance, subtility and “wolf in the sheep clothes” that BMW used to be. That was quite my alley. And they are not beautiful. Accepting a car and looking at it just under the ideea that “it will grow on me” just proves that it failed to be a beautiful, desirable product. The acceptance works with mediocre.

I am a very long BMW fan with decades behind me in this family and not everything was perfect but they were still under a certain specific design. At this stage There is no identity. If I take that badge of on the front and the rear on many new models, non-car people will not be able to say is a bimmer. And let’s say that that will be ok too, but they are not beautiful either. Just a mix of undefined designs that lacks any design cohesion.

So, bottom line, obviously I am not their target and that is fine.
Either way, beautiful tech, beautiful specs, bad design…
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