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      08-09-2020, 05:41 AM   #1
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M760 vs Alpina B7 Running Costs

Looking to purchase either a 2017+ used M760 or B7 and I love them both equally. They cost about the same used so my deciding factor will be which one is cheaper to keep over the long term (at least 5 years).

Does anyone know maintenance costs for the M760 vs the B7? Is the V12 or V8 more reliable? Is the Alpina inherently more expensive to repair? And which one would have cheaper insurance costs (my first instinct is V12 and higher MSRP would mean M760 is more expensive to insure...or are Alpinas considerd in a different class)?

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I’ve shied away from the AMG cars after getting skinned for $6k for brakes. Wondering m760 and B7 brakes are noticeable less expansive.
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Looking to purchase either a 2017+ used M760 or B7 and I love them both equally. They cost about the same used so my deciding factor will be which one is cheaper to keep over the long term (at least 5 years).

Does anyone know maintenance costs for the M760 vs the B7? Is the V12 or V8 more reliable? Is the Alpina inherently more expensive to repair? And which one would have cheaper insurance costs (my first instinct is V12 and higher MSRP would mean M760 is more expensive to insure...or are Alpinas considerd in a different class)?

Thanks to any advice in advance!
You wouldn't want to take either car to the dealership for service. Until you can find a reputable independent mechanic shop that specializes in imports, I would stay away from both.

If you've already got a shop in mind, call them up and ask these same questions as they would give you more reliable information than these forums.
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Front breaks on my M760 will be needing replacement soon. I think the dealership quoted around $2.5k. This includes disks, pads and labour.

Re: reliability - I don't think many people kept both an Alpina and a 760 side by side long enough to tell which one based on their experience. So we all pretty much have to go by opinions and judgements. I only can offer a common sense thought: Alpina's version of the V8 is using big high-pressure hot turbos. High per-liter HP output and hard working engine. The V12 at its 6.6L displacement uses smaller and simpler turbos with relatively low pressure settings. It "feels" effortless, and I think it is objectively a much stressed, happier engine. Which one is likely to last longer, given their complexities etc..... anyone's guess, I personally bet on the v12.

Also, I am mostly DIY guy for anything not covered by warranty. If a few decades doing this would be any indicator, the maintenance costs are entirely manageable for a normal production vehicles like the 7 series. Getting some specific parts for an Alpina 15 years down the road might be harder than for a BMW car.
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Front breaks on my M760 will be needing replacement soon. I think the dealership quoted around $2.5k. This includes disks, pads and labour.

Re: reliability - I don't think many people kept both an Alpina and a 760 side by side long enough to tell which one based on their experience. So we all pretty much have to go by opinions and judgements. I only can offer a common sense thought: Alpina's version of the V8 is using big high-pressure hot turbos. High per-liter HP output and hard working engine. The V12 at its 6.6L displacement uses smaller and simpler turbos with relatively low pressure settings. It "feels" effortless, and I think it is objectively a much stressed, happier engine. Which one is likely to last longer, given their complexities etc..... anyone's guess, I personally bet on the v12.

Also, I am mostly DIY guy for anything not covered by warranty. If a few decades doing this would be any indicator, the maintenance costs are entirely manageable for a normal production vehicles like the 7 series. Getting some specific parts for an Alpina 15 years down the road might be harder than for a BMW car.
All of that totally makes sense.
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Gas milage hwy

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Im also looking at a 2017 or 2018 M760 as well as a 2020 X5 M50i. I spend around 110 miles a day commuting at mostly 70 to 85mph. Very little stop and go traffic. My weekly driving is around 90% hwy 10% city. What mpg does the M760 gives at those speeds?
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Mine is 15L/100km average over 30,000 km mixed city driving. I would expect about 11-13L/100km at these hwy speeds.
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Im also looking at a 2017 or 2018 M760 as well as a 2020 X5 M50i. I spend around 110 miles a day commuting at mostly 70 to 85mph. Very little stop and go traffic. My weekly driving is around 90% hwy 10% city. What mpg does the M760 gives at those speeds?
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Im also looking at a 2017 or 2018 M760 as well as a 2020 X5 M50i. I spend around 110 miles a day commuting at mostly 70 to 85mph. Very little stop and go traffic. My weekly driving is around 90% hwy 10% city. What mpg does the M760 gives at those speeds?
My 2020 M760 manages between 21-22 mpg at those speeds in "ECO" mode, and 20mpg in normal mode.
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M760Li here. I just finished my front brakes: replaced rotors, sensor and pads. All of the above ran about US$1400. I was told the labor would be about $180, but I only took the parts as I wanted to do it myself. My other car (M850i) has got the same brakes, so I figured it was worth it since I can do both of them then. For the rear I was quoted US1,100 in parts.
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I picked up a full set of M Performance (Brembo) Brakes from BMW with calipers, drilled rotors, and pads for $2,700. Normally runs $3,400 and paid $450 to install at an Indy.

I'd imagine with an existing setup it will run much cheaper without calipers.
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I picked up a full set of M Performance (Brembo) Brakes from BMW with calipers, drilled rotors, and pads for $2,700. Normally runs $3,400 and paid $450 to install at an Indy.

I'd imagine with an existing setup it will run much cheaper without calipers.
For which car?
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All of that totally makes sense.
I have had a 2019 Alpina, a 2019 760 and now a 2020760, as other folks stated here the V12 pushes this mass effortlessly. The Alpina has a hot running stressed V8 pushing a heavy body. You can feel it when you drive it. The Alpina does weight 300lbs less, but you can still feel the strain on the motor especially when you get on it.

I would go with the V12 if you want a smoother, less stressed car. Other the the tune up the maintenance on the rest of the car is more or less the same. IF you are power hungry, you can take the V12 to the guys in Arizona at VRTune and they have a tuning package that adds about 110H and 115ft-lbs of torque. I did that to mine. Love it.
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All probably true, but I couldn’t find an immaculate low mile M760i so I went with the B7. Time will tell. LOL.
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I picked up a full set of M Performance (Brembo) Brakes from BMW with calipers, drilled rotors, and pads for $2,700. Normally runs $3,400 and paid $450 to install at an Indy.

I'd imagine with an existing setup it will run much cheaper without calipers.
For which car?
G12 750i but it's interchangeable with the 760 and B7 per BMW.
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G12 750i but it's interchangeable with the 760 and B7 per BMW.
Is this an item from the dealer? Is it like a brake upgrade package? would love to see more information if you can share
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G12 750i but it's interchangeable with the 760 and B7 per BMW.
Is this an item from the dealer? Is it like a brake upgrade package? would love to see more information if you can share
HYG - doesn't list the 760 or B7, however, the dealer said it was interchangeable but I'd double check. I did read somewhere that these may not fit the 760i with efficient dynamics.

https://www.getbmwparts.com/oem-part...ed-34112289348
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Front breaks on my M760 will be needing replacement soon. I think the dealership quoted around $2.5k. This includes disks, pads and labour.

Re: reliability - I don't think many people kept both an Alpina and a 760 side by side long enough to tell which one based on their experience. So we all pretty much have to go by opinions and judgements. I only can offer a common sense thought: Alpina's version of the V8 is using big high-pressure hot turbos. High per-liter HP output and hard working engine. The V12 at its 6.6L displacement uses smaller and simpler turbos with relatively low pressure settings. It "feels" effortless, and I think it is objectively a much stressed, happier engine. Which one is likely to last longer, given their complexities etc..... anyone's guess, I personally bet on the v12.

Also, I am mostly DIY guy for anything not covered by warranty. If a few decades doing this would be any indicator, the maintenance costs are entirely manageable for a normal production vehicles like the 7 series. Getting some specific parts for an Alpina 15 years down the road might be harder than for a BMW car.
The dealer quote is right on point, as this was the same for my 06 750i, 2010 750 Activehybrid, but my 2020 M760i is $3,200. I would suggest getting the the 6-yr warranty ($3300) & the 100k mile service package $5200. The V12 will cost at least $7500 over 6-yrs is you pay out of pocket, bc there will always be issues that you want the dealership to take care of. My 2010 Activehybrid7 battery replacement & programming would have cost $24k out of pocket, but I traded for the 2020 M760 and still received $18k towards my new vehicle.
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I just replaced my front and rear brakes: pads, sensors, rotors. It ended up being USD$2,960. I also learnt that I did not need to replace rotors just yet (it would have been about $1.3k in savings but I did it anyway, figured I'd do it since I bought the rotors why not). Measure the rotor thickness and it it is within specs replace pads only, which is what BMW TIS instructions say. My rotors were still about 70% left, so realistically it should have stayed for another 40-50k.
I normally track my vehicle expenses in a spreadsheet, so I will see how much the maintenance ends up being. But so far in my previous experience with a few generation of both Mercedes S and BMW 7 series it was never as high as the extended warranty costs (in the long run/averaged, short spikes can always happen).
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I have carried a 2018 B7 and 2020 M760 for 6 months together, the B7 was turned in but over the time I have owned both cars (45K miles on the B7) I have had a look at the dealer numbers for repairs.. They are essentially a wash in terms of cost when something needs to be done, however as others said the B7 does run more to the limit, which the 760 has a lot of room... My B7 required some turbo, engine, and transmission work, because I do drive all the cars I own hard.. The M760 has been tuned by G-Power and even then the car is never shown a hint of an issue...

With that said I miss the B7 so just ordered another and will be moving the M760 in the coming weeks (lease assumption)... Under warranty I don't really worry about it, although I would keep an M760 out of warranty I am not sure I would carry a B7 with above 50K miles..
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I have carried a 2018 B7 and 2020 M760 for 6 months together, the B7 was turned in but over the time I have owned both cars (45K miles on the B7) I have had a look at the dealer numbers for repairs.. They are essentially a wash in terms of cost when something needs to be done, however as others said the B7 does run more to the limit, which the 760 has a lot of room... My B7 required some turbo, engine, and transmission work, because I do drive all the cars I own hard.. The M760 has been tuned by G-Power and even then the car is never shown a hint of an issue...

With that said I miss the B7 so just ordered another and will be moving the M760 in the coming weeks (lease assumption)... Under warranty I don't really worry about it, although I would keep an M760 out of warranty I am not sure I would carry a B7 with above 50K miles..
Great post. What is it about the B7 that you miss (compared to your m760)?
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If you can afford a M760 or B7. Surely you're not going to worry about running costs. Or am I missing something?
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Everyone's different. I personally can afford a M760, but I can't afford the dealership repair costs. Nor do I want to afford those costs. Consider this: if you keep your car for longer period of time your overall cost of ownership is actually pretty reasonable. Even an expensive car ends up costing you less than picking new cars every few years. I'm not saying this is the way to do it, but nonetheless.
I'll illustrate the point: I owned a Lexus LX470 (Toyota LandCruiser elsewhere) for 22 years, put 460,000km on it. I spend zero on repairs, and the required minimum on maintenance and wear items. I kept track on all expenses. Averaged over the 22 years my cost of ownership ended up half of a Honda Civic if it gets replaced every 5 years.
Now, M760 is not a Toyota LandCruiser, but you can see which qualities I am looking for. Ignoring or overlooking running costs is not one of them.
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