Apologies to 750LiBeemer…

[Lawguy]

We tussled several times when I first arrived.

You were right. These cars are pieces of shit.

Taking the Alpina back to dealer this week. There is now oil leaking all over my garage floor from the Alpina. We made it 2-3 weeks since the last issue, the Vanos solenoid, that had to be replaced (after throwing codes requiring two other visits). We’ve replaced both upper and lower grill shutters already. And the car still has an intermittent smell of antifreeze that they’ve never been able to diagnose.

When the oil leak issue is resolved, I’ll be shopping for something new. This is my third 7-series. They’ve all been great when running, but all proved to be more of a headache than it was worth. I’m 18 months in, have 6 months left on the CPO and I’m done.

My apologies for arguing with you, or minimizing your frustrations.

[Al Pinã]

Tis the nature of the TT V8. Heat is the true enemy of mechanical and electronic systems. These motors produce a TON of it.

Sorry to hear about the constant issues you're having. Hopefully they are resolved soon enough.

[Lawguy]

Originally Posted by Al Pinã

Tis the nature of the TT V8. Heat is the true enemy of mechanical and electronic systems. These motors produce a TON of it.

Sorry to hear about the constant issues you're having. Hopefully they are resolved soon enough.

I drive her hard. But that what you should do with a $158,000 MSRP car. The fan runs for a long time in the garage every night. 23,000 miles. Sheesh.

The CPO runs out Oct 13th. I won’t buy added coverage. I’ll just move on. It’s a shame it’s such a liability, because it’s a lovely car when running well.

[750LiBeemer]

Originally Posted by Lawguy

I drive her hard. But that what you should do with a $158,000 MSRP car. The fan runs for a long time in the garage every night. 23,000 miles. Sheesh.

The CPO runs out Oct 13th. I won't buy added coverage. I'll just move on. It's a shame it's such a liability, because it's a lovely car when running well.

Glad you finally see the light. I've owned multiple model 7s the past 2 decades and 7s reliability is getting worse and worse. I have never heard of any car that has major oil and coolant leaks below 50k miles but it happens somewhat frequently with this car.

The best part of this is that the cpo warranty does not cover the plastic and rubber hoses that leak. It's literally the ultimate middle finger as these bastards know those parts will most likely eventually go bad. I'm getting rid of my 7 next week. It's been sitting in the garage for a couple of months on the battery tender. No more Bmw ever again. The car has got a long way to go if it seriously wants to compete with the S class.

[Al Pinã]

You may want to look into Mercedes reliability track record before saying that last part.

I've got a 2019 Sprinter with a whole host of issues. Just spend $8500 on a particulate filter and other emissions crap.

If you want bulletproof reliability with mind numbingly boring driving characteristics head over to your local Honda dealership.

[750LiBeemer]

Originally Posted by Al Pin　

You may want to look into Mercedes reliability track record before saying that last part.

I've got a 2019 Sprinter with a whole host of issues. Just spend $8500 on a particulate filter and other emissions crap.

If you want bulletproof reliability with mind numbingly boring driving characteristics head over to your local Honda dealership.

Or I could just go to Mercedes. I've owned an S class. Besides the air suspension, which is a fairly common issue, it's more reliable. I also have friends who own the S. They do not have major engine issues like the 7. The 7s engine design is flawed and after over a decade of the same problematic engine, they don't bother fixing the issue. I don't think they care. And that's my issue with it.

[red-lynx]

Yeah, once they get an engine they just keep it despite how many issues occur. They at least update it, but that only helps the newer cars. I'm hoping I get a little lucky with mine for a little while anyway.

Kinda wild to pay all this money just to have to pay more on top just to keep them running.

I definitely understand the struggle of justifying it.

[TXSTYLE]

I for the life of me can not comprehend why in TF BMW can't or won't seem to correct the over heating issue these cars (flagship mind you!) have had since 2009???
Why do they refuse to engineer a more efficient and effective cooling system???
While they are at it, incorporate better duct and airflow and heat extraction directly into the bodywork.

[Kmish]

Originally Posted by Al Pinã

You may want to look into Mercedes reliability track record before saying that last part.

I've got a 2019 Sprinter with a whole host of issues. Just spend $8500 on a particulate filter and other emissions crap.

If you want bulletproof reliability with mind numbingly boring driving characteristics head over to your local Honda dealership.

I had to put 3 engines in my old honda accord; never had any problems with my 760 or 760 😂. Now, I’m in an S580. Point is, no manufacturer is immune.

[AlteBMW]

People post on forums to complain. The issue of forum complaints is not limited to cars btw. It’s the nature of the beast.
Every manufacturer produces problem cars
What surprises here is that it is an Alpina because I would expect more care on those cars.

[Al Pinã]

It really depends what year the car is to determine what updated N63 it received. It's either the TU2 or TU3.

[Lawguy]

Might just be a “stupid dealer” issue.

Service manager called to apologize. Apparently the oil leak is related to the Vanos solenoid they replace 10 days ago, which they didn’t get right. 🤦🏻

At least I’m driving a sweet m550i service loaner.

[TXSTYLE]

Originally Posted by Lawguy

Might just be a “stupid dealer” issue.

Service manager called to apologize. Apparently the oil leak is related to the Vanos solenoid they replace 10 days ago, which they didn’t get right. 🤦🏻

At least I’m driving a sweet m550i service loaner.

How much less interior space are you noticing?
I really like the looks of the new 5. But I feel like I'll be giving up a ton of interior width and leg space?

[Lawguy]

I have been surprised how much smaller it feels, both in the drivers seat and the rear.

[stein_325i]

Sorry to hear of your issues. The BMW V8 has always been fickle in its reliability for some time, even before the N62 and N63. My father had two BMW V8's in his E39 and E60 and always had engine issues even during warranty. Seems like the Inline-6 is a more durable option.

[Al Pinã]

Originally Posted by Lawguy

Might just be a “stupid dealer” issue.

Service manager called to apologize. Apparently the oil leak is related to the Vanos solenoid they replace 10 days ago, which they didn’t get right. 🤦🏻

At least I’m driving a sweet m550i service loaner.

By far my favorite loaner to beat on. That thing moves pretty good.

[Lawguy]

Originally Posted by Al Pinã

By far my favorite loaner to beat on. That thing moves pretty good.

For sure. I’m driving it like I stole it. 😆

[LuvMyE92]

Originally Posted by Lawguy

Might just be a “stupid dealer” issue.

I bought an M2 new a few years ago. There are two ways to look at my experience with it:

1) The car was problem-free, with the exception of a minor iDrive problem, and a slight stutter in the steering.

2) It took four visits and several phone calls to BMW corporate to resolve the iDrive issue. It started with "your phone is the problem" and ended with them replacing the entire thing, which was finalized with ONE MORE freakin' visit to service to connect the USB port that they forgot to plug in. Then, another three or four phone calls, several visits, and finally a meeting and drive with the corporate regional tech guy to acknowledge the "stutter" issue, resulting in a replacement of the entire steering rack. That issue was finalized with THE FREAKIN' LUG BOLTS backing out of the wheels because they forgot to torque them down. That resulted in several apologetic phone calls and email from the SA, SM and tech.

And this is one of the better dealerships...

And now, no one can figure out why my iDrive can't communicate with my Samsung and show me text messages in the Alpina.

Threads like this one have me wondering if I should buy that ridiculously expensive platinum warranty. I've been hoping that my extremely low mileage car wouldn't experience issues for a while.

Best of luck to you, @Lawguy.

[g11hoonigan]

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

I for the life of me can not comprehend why in TF BMW can't or won't seem to correct the over heating issue these cars (flagship mind you!) have had since 2009???
Why do they refuse to engineer a more efficient and effective cooling system???
While they are at it, incorporate better duct and airflow and heat extraction directly into the bodywork.

Maybe because people with lots of money keep on buying these cars. But they make some of the best performing cars in the market, just can't put reliability in the same sentence. I guess we can't have it all.