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      07-09-2022, 04:33 PM   #23
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Diesel is very reliable. North America doesnt know to make a good diesel fuel. So, different story.

There are Mercedes Benz that are almost 50 years old and they still run today with over 1 or 2 million km on board trouble free, never touching the engine.
An Opel Corsa 1.3 L diesel takes 3 L of diesel for each 100 km (that is 78 mpg).
An Audi A1 1.6 L diesel takes 4-4.5 litres of diesel for each 100 km.

(All examples where in my family in Europe).

Unreliable because of emission system is a story teller for people that have no idea. Diesel runs forever if you take care of it.

It's not the quality of the fuel but the lack of repair expertise combined with the high cost of emissions components (DPF, SCR, EGR).

Older Diesels aren't really relevant to this discussion because they don't have the same emissions systems and make significantly less hp/liter.
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I don't think we need more cars for drivers who tried to achieve 1000mpg by driving slow on the passing lane.
Get your facts straight…
BMW builds some of the most sporty diesel ever made and was always in top.

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/gen...ar-you-can-buy
Problem is not the car.
Problem is the driver trying to maximize their mpg by driving slow.
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Anyway fantastic result for almost a 1.8t car that cost 25k - personally I would have flown

(But I get reason for a bmw influencer doing this!)
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A (great) diesel is one of the most amazing things.

I love my old Mercedes OM613, one of the greatest Diesels ever made IMO.
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If you're a car manufacturer, would you invest in diesel development or electric development? Hint: the marketplace is providing the answer.
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Anyway fantastic result for almost a 1.8t car that cost 25k - personally I would have flown

(But I get reason for a bmw influencer doing this!)
Don't see much fantastic scenery, stopping for lovely meals etc at 33k feet.

But yeah, it made for a nice series of videos
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If reducing your carbon footprint is a concern, a diesel car is an immediate 30% reduction compared to gas. This also translates to 30% less fuel burned as well.

I have an F10 535d in Canada (same in US, 530d elsewhere) and I bought it for the economy. I didn't consider the environmental impact, I consider the impact to my wallet. A gas 535i would have me shelling out 30% more for fuel, and more in the winter (it gets pretty cold here in Ottawa).

Why would a new 730d make sense? A lot of people who achieve financial status enabling shopping a new 7-Series are not in the business of wasting money. If your daily driver can be comfortable and powerful while being more efficient, why not? Showing off with a V12 is fun, but not smart financially. To each their own.

The DPF in my car is estimated to last about 260k km (based on the car's internal software), and if that ends up being true I'll be satisfied. As far as driving slow and screwing up the DPF, I'm pretty sure steady state 60+ MPH will keep the DPF happy. For them to maintain 64 MPG I don't think there were many regen cycles happening on that trip.

Diesel scares a lot of people, not sure why. Fear of the unknown I guess. It's always less uncomfortable to stick with what makes you warm and fuzzy inside. Soot chucker? Pretty inaccurate of any modern diesel.

North America has, and continues to embrace diesel trucks. The dieselgate scandal certainly didn't help (thanks VW group/Mercedes), pretty much nailing the coffin shut on passenger car diesel.

Let's all fool ourselves that the move to electric cars will save the planet, lol. Maybe 20 years from now we'll move back to diesel when battery cars don't live up to their green promises.
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If reducing your carbon footprint is a concern, a diesel car is an immediate 30% reduction compared to gas. This also translates to 30% less fuel burned as well.

I have an F10 535d in Canada (same in US, 530d elsewhere) and I bought it for the economy. I didn't consider the environmental impact, I consider the impact to my wallet. A gas 535i would have me shelling out 30% more for fuel, and more in the winter (it gets pretty cold here in Ottawa).

Why would a new 730d make sense? A lot of people who achieve financial status enabling shopping a new 7-Series are not in the business of wasting money. If your daily driver can be comfortable and powerful while being more efficient, why not? Showing off with a V12 is fun, but not smart financially. To each their own.

The DPF in my car is estimated to last about 260k km (based on the car's internal software), and if that ends up being true I'll be satisfied. As far as driving slow and screwing up the DPF, I'm pretty sure steady state 60+ MPH will keep the DPF happy. For them to maintain 64 MPG I don't think there were many regen cycles happening on that trip.

Diesel scares a lot of people, not sure why. Fear of the unknown I guess. It's always less uncomfortable to stick with what makes you warm and fuzzy inside. Soot chucker? Pretty inaccurate of any modern diesel.

North America has, and continues to embrace diesel trucks. The dieselgate scandal certainly didn't help (thanks VW group/Mercedes), pretty much nailing the coffin shut on passenger car diesel.

Let's all fool ourselves that the move to electric [...]

Do you burn the same amount of oil? In the US refineries refine approx twice the amount of gasoline per barrel of oil compared to diesel.

This makes sense since diesel is a heavier distillate.
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This very statistic prevented me from considering a diesel-powered vehicle. Sobering reminder.
Sustained motorway driving like in the video is ideal for the DPF. If it, for some reason, becomes clogged despite its automatic regen, you can manually engage it. Or eventually have it cleaned up by a specialist.

Officially, the DPF in BMW diesels is good for 186,000 miles, but there are F-gen N57 diesels with way over 200k miles still on their first DPF.
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If you're a car manufacturer, would you invest in diesel development or electric development? Hint: the marketplace is providing the answer.
What marketplace? The market in Europe that's being literally pushed and forced to buy xEVs?
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Many (most) Americans don't like/understand diesel, and so they don't sell well here. Otherwise, BMW would offer it. I had a loaner F10 540d (Canadian) for a few days, and other than the excellent gas mileage, I couldn't tell the difference.
American here, love my 328d! Definitely the best daily driver I've ever owned. 47 mpg (US gal) on the highway and 350 pound/feet of torque (mild flash tune). It's really the best of both worlds and proof that you can have your cake and eat it too. Wish they still had diesel models for sale here so my next bmw could also be a fuel efficient power house. Considering going hybrid or electric next but even those models aren't all available here. Frustrating since I really wanted a hybrid/electric X3.
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Do you burn the same amount of oil? In the US refineries refine approx twice the amount of gasoline per barrel of oil compared to diesel.

This makes sense since diesel is a heavier distillate.
No idea, I've never looked into it. I do know it costs much less to refine diesel, and diesel has historically been cheaper at the pump than gas (which is not true today for some reason).

Methinks politics has something to do with it. Let me re-state that… politics definitely has something to do with it.
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This very statistic prevented me from considering a diesel-powered vehicle. Sobering reminder.
Sustained motorway driving like in the video is ideal for the DPF. If it, for some reason, becomes clogged despite its automatic regen, you can manually engage it. Or eventually have it cleaned up by a specialist.

Officially, the DPF in BMW diesels is good for 186,000 miles, but there are F-gen N57 diesels with way over 200k miles still on their first DPF.
I stand corrected! If the DPF in my F10 N57 lasts 186k miles (300k km) it will likely outlive my ownership! My car only has 115,000 km so far.
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If you're a car manufacturer, would you invest in diesel development or electric development? Hint: the marketplace is providing the answer.
What marketplace? The market in Europe that's being literally pushed and forced to buy xEVs?
Exactly. The market is not driving EV demand, Governments are driving EV demand. Big difference.
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Many (most) Americans don't like/understand diesel, and so they don't sell well here. Otherwise, BMW would offer it. I had a loaner F10 540d (Canadian) for a few days, and other than the excellent gas mileage, I couldn't tell the difference.
American here, love my 328d! Definitely the best daily driver I've ever owned. 47 mpg (US gal) on the highway and 350 pound/feet of torque (mild flash tune). It's really the best of both worlds and proof that you can have your cake and eat it too. Wish they still had diesel models for sale here so my next bmw could also be a fuel efficient power house. Considering going hybrid or electric next but even those models aren't all available here. Frustrating since I really wanted a hybrid/electric X3.
I'm kicking myself for not getting into diesel ownership sooner. My 535d is proving to be a very nice car so far. It's a heavy AWD tank in the snow, seemingly unphased by our extreme cold, comfortable, powerful, and extremely frugal. The fact it's beautiful to look at is just icing on the cake!
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Sustained motorway driving like in the video is ideal for the DPF. If it, for some reason, becomes clogged despite its automatic regen, you can manually engage it. Or eventually have it cleaned up by a specialist.

Officially, the DPF in BMW diesels is good for 186,000 miles, but there are F-gen N57 diesels with way over 200k miles still on their first DPF.
F30 with an n47 here. I was told that the DPF in my car is hard coded to fail before 150k miles? Is that not the case?
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This very statistic prevented me from considering a diesel-powered vehicle. Sobering reminder.
Sustained motorway driving like in the video is ideal for the DPF. If it, for some reason, becomes clogged despite its automatic regen, you can manually engage it. Or eventually have it cleaned up by a specialist.

Officially, the DPF in BMW diesels is good for 186,000 miles, but there are F-gen N57 diesels with way over 200k miles still on their first DPF.
F30 with an n47 here. I was told that the DPF in my car is hard coded to fail before 150k miles?
Anything "coded to fail" can be uncoded as well. If the dealer can install a new DPF and code the ecu to accept it, an Indy shop can do the same coding and just leave the untouched original DPF in place to live as long as it can.
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It's a heavy AWD tank in the snow, seemingly unphased by our extreme cold, comfortable, powerful, and extremely frugal. The fact it's beautiful to look at is just icing on the cake!
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My F31 328d have been a reliable transport partner for 8 years now I still haven't found a proper replacement for it. I end up getting an average of 6.2L/100kms including the worst of winter(-30c and colder). I really don't get why people make tons of excuses not to buy diesel but will happily pay 30-40000$ extra for ev.
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My F31 328d have been a reliable transport partner for 8 years now I still haven't found a proper replacement for it. I end up getting an average of 6.2L/100kms including the worst of winter(-30c and colder). I really don't get why people make tons of excuses not to buy diesel but will happily pay 30-40000$ extra for ev.
Because obviously diesel is evil but the process for creating lithium batteries has no adverse affects for the environment
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My F31 328d have been a reliable transport partner for 8 years now I still haven't found a proper replacement for it. I end up getting an average of 6.2L/100kms including the worst of winter(-30c and colder). I really don't get why people make tons of excuses not to buy diesel but will happily pay 30-40000$ extra for ev.
Because obviously diesel is evil but the process for creating lithium batteries has no adverse affects for the environment
Lol, true and true!
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I end up getting an average of 6.2L/100kms including the worst of winter(-30c and colder).
Isn't it incredible? My mileage changes from winter to summer far less than a gas car, and it starts just fine at extreme temperatures. The electric heater in the vents, heated seats and heated steering wheel make this an extremely comfy cold-weather car.

This big heavy AWD 5-Series averages between 7-8 L/100km year round for me depending on what kind of driving I do. Longer highway trips see it fall below 6, my best whole tank average being 5.6 L/100 km so far. Unreal!
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