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      05-29-2020, 06:52 AM   #353
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You mean the way you attack gun owners?
You be funny. You know as well as I that when I try to discuss guns, I am attacked heavily.
You & I have actually exchanged a few posts discussing gun problems.

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      05-29-2020, 06:53 AM   #354
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So what's your position on the actual topic?
That question is too wide. Topic, pls?
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      05-29-2020, 07:02 AM   #355
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You be funny. You know as well as I that when I try to discuss guns, I am attacked heavily.
You & I have actually exchanged a few posts discussing gun problems.

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The point I was making had nothing to do with our discussions/exchanges on guns but to point out that you were doing the exact same thing you were accusing others of.
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      05-29-2020, 07:20 AM   #356
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I mentioned this earlier in the thread and I will speak to Canada specifically but I suspect the same or similar is true in the USA.

There are a number or reasons to arrest. To prevent the continuation of the offence, secure the identity of the suspect, collect evidence from the accused, and to ensure appearance in court. There are other reasons but that's kind of the high level stuff.

Often arrest is delayed when the above issues aren't of concern as the arrest can change the way the investigation plays out. So there could be a number of reasons not to rush the arrest, and given that the officers involved in this are unlikely to flee the jurisdiction, and would've been subject to having physical evidence seized at the time (body camera's, uniforms for DNA, blood etc), their identities are known, arresting them might not be something to rush as they may be co-operating with investigators which will stop as soon as they are arrested.

If they arrest them just to quell the crowds that might help the situation but might hurt the case against them down the road. Think of the riots if they get charged and are acquitted because of "technicalities".

I think there is a misconception about what arrest does and is. It isn't punishment, it's a process.

If the officers involved were black and not "whitey" the investigation would be the same.

I hope that helps.
Thank goodness they arrested that CNN thug Oscar Jimenez right on the spot!
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      05-29-2020, 07:24 AM   #357
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Thank goodness they arrested that CNN thug Oscar Jimenez right on the spot!
So I didn't see that and can't comment but I did answer your question.
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      05-29-2020, 07:49 AM   #358
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So I didn't see that and can't comment but I did answer your question.
You think these cops are cooperating? You think that there are adequate process reasons to decline to arrest, knowing the consequences in the community at large? The riot was inevitable, especially after the fool prosecutor mentioned that there was evidence that pointed away from prosecution. You really think that a colour blind process explanation could possibly apply in the U.S.?
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You think these cops are cooperating? You think that there are adequate process reasons to decline to arrest, knowing the consequences in the community at large? The riot was inevitable, especially after the fool prosecutor mentioned that there was evidence that pointed away from prosecution. You really think that a colour blind process explanation could possibly apply in the U.S.?
You asked a question which I answered. I'm not sure what your issue with my answer is and FTR what I said was this "arresting them might not be something to rush as they may be co-operating with investigators"
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      05-29-2020, 07:58 AM   #360
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You asked a question which I answered. I'm not sure what your issue with my answer is and FTR what I said was this "arresting them might not be something to rush as they may be co-operating with investigators"
And one offered gratuitously. Other than that I'm fine with it.
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      05-29-2020, 07:58 AM   #361
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A man died unnecessarily and they should be held accountable for his death.

This story shows a different side that police have to deal with all the time as well.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/28/us/ty...rnd/index.html

It also shows how the news spins things to look like the police did something wrong when they didn’t.

No on was injured but it does show how things can go from a simple stop to something crazy because people don’t want to comply.

This debate will be never ending.

And this new anchor? We should all be able to agree what he said is insane.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbc-...rns-behind-him

I kind of feel he said it partly because he didn’t want to get attacked for saying something negative around the people burning things down.
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And one offered gratuitously. Other than that I'm fine with it.
I'm not sure why you'd say 'gratuitously". You posed a question to me, I have experience in the area and tried to give an answer that wasn't biased but just to explain why the arrest might not be as fast as some would like.
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      05-29-2020, 08:11 AM   #363
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Just when the Arbery situation was losing steam and police evidence of past experiences with the law was giving us a better picture we get this to dominate the headlines. What a peculiar coincidence.
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      05-29-2020, 08:12 AM   #364
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Same with the virus.
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      05-29-2020, 08:18 AM   #365
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A man died unnecessarily and they should be held accountable for his death.

This story shows a different side that police have to deal with all the time as well.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/28/us/ty...rnd/index.html

It also shows how the news spins things to look like the police did something wrong when they didn't.

No on was injured but it does show how things can go from a simple stop to something crazy because people don't want to comply.

This debate will be never ending.

And this new anchor? We should all be able to agree what he said is insane.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbc-...rns-behind-him

I kind of feel he said it partly because he didn't want to get attacked for saying something negative around the people burning things down.
Someone is always accountable and liable for a death, but not always criminally liable.
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      05-29-2020, 08:23 AM   #366
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...aylor.amp.html

“Seven people were struck by gunfire at a protest in Louisville, Ky., on Thursday night as tensions there continued to escalate over the fatal shooting of a black woman by three white police officers in March.

Of those reported injured in the demonstration, two were taken for surgery and five were in good condition, Louisville Mayor Greg Fischer said early Friday morning. Mr. Fischer said no officers discharged their weapons and that the violence came from within the crowd.”

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      05-29-2020, 08:31 AM   #367
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so...

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The cop is a serial killer in blue, but Amy is the issue?
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      05-29-2020, 08:48 AM   #369
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Maybe need to develop a new way of protest that doenst make more of a problem for the victims and selves.
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Maybe need to develop a new way of protest that doenst make more of a problem for the victims and selves.
You mean similar to the peaceful protest we saw in Michigan?
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I'll give you a hint: it isn't to tar large groups of our populace with damning stereotypes.
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People defending this stagger me. Why does it happen in the US so often vs anywhere else civilized? Why are your cops so damn twitchy?

Inexcusable, what a tragedy, for fucking shame.
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Maybe need to develop a new way of protest that doenst make more of a problem for the victims and selves.
Agreed. However... Understanding or at the least, comprehending the epic frustration of a demographic that continues to be murdered repeatedly by so-called sworn protection, one may feel that they have no other choice than to act out in such a manner. Even though said manner is wrong and counter productive I understand. Not accept. But understand.
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People defending this stagger me. Why does it happen in the US so often vs anywhere else civilized? Why are your cops so damn twitchy?

Inexcusable, what a tragedy, for fucking shame.


I have many friends abroad: Asia, Europe, Mexico, South America, Africa. They are literally dumbfounded at how this specific heinous bullshit continues to occur...
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