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      Yesterday, 10:42 AM   #815
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Every manufacturer says that about every model change. Every fan of the new model says the same. It's not always true.
Youíd have to find me evidence of this not being true for the Corvette since Ď97. There is not one point where the car has gone backwards IMO.

This is after driving every version of the Corvette C5-C7 outside of the C7 ZR1. My name is See5 for a reason.
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And manufacturers never lie? And it couldn't simply be as already said that they misrepresent the situation, or are wrong, rather than lying?

Blindly believing anything a manufacturers says is very ridiculous.
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Youíd have to find me evidence of this not being true for the Corvette since Ď97. There is not one point where the car has gone backwards IMO.

This is after driving every version of the Corvette C5-C7 outside of the C7 ZR1. My name is See5 for a reason.
Find you evidence for a subjective opinion? You even clearly say 'IMO'.

Any vehicle made today - bar none! - has things people complain about, to say, or think otherwise is disingenuous. Some of these things are subjective, some objective. Some things are ignored by some/many people as inconsequential, some are critical.

No offense to you, but you're clearly an unabashed enthusiast and anyone looking for an objective opinion on a car isn't going to want to listen to what you say about it.
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The derp is strong with you.
Wow, great rebuttal! Clearly I have seen the errors of my ways and now believe there's no possible way General Motors has ever lied about a car before! They've clearly only ever produced the best automobiles made in the world - every car, every model!

You sir are clearly more intelligent than the rest of the world and your opinions and statements are the gold standard by which all should be judged.
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      Yesterday, 11:16 AM   #819
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The derp is strong with you.
Extremely.

Heís right though. Iím just not going to believe anything Iíve read regarding this car. Iím calling BS on the C8 Z51 being quicker around a track than the C7 Z51. Itís impossible. With its higher CoG, clunky DCT, GMís first real ME chassis, heavy weight and wonky electronics, thereís no way they could be telling the truth.

That top speed run I watched was done with a bottle of nitrous.

The 0-60 run was on Mickey Thompsons.

Chassis rigidity isnít improved. I can tell by just looking. Definitely falling apart after 5,000 miles.
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I think it's quite possible that the C8 is actually a deep fake and just a leftover Aztek in reverse with some serious photoshop. Screw you GM!
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My eyeballs are finely honed to calculate CFD models and I can tell you right now that GM is lying about downforce and drag. The C8 is a brick in the wind. SAD!
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Till you are in the interior of the C7 or C8 long enough. Then it is easy.

I've owned a bolt-on C6 Z51, a modded C6Z & a 600+ WHP C5. If I get another Vette, it has to be a C7 or C8. (Would love a 67 Vert with an LS over all of them, but we are talking $$$$$ now)
Iím very content with my C6 at this time. Regarding sports cars Iím more partial to lightweight, power and handling. Power to weight ratio takes precedence over interior appointments. Like a Ferrari F40 and a 911 Club Sport owners Iíll sacrifice some fine Italian leather, walnut dashboard and others. Along with a BMW I have a Lincoln for a more comfy ride and not that the C6 is uncomfortable, itís been taken on quite a few long road excursions without complaint.

Never could understand taking a classic like a Ď67 and dropping a modern plant in it. A 425hp 427 would suit me just fine as would the original small block and keep the classic unmolested. To each his own I guess.
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Iím very content with my C6 at this time. Regarding sports cars Iím more partial to lightweight, power and handling. Power to weight ratio takes precedence over interior appointments. Like a Ferrari F40 and a 911 Club Sport owners Iíll sacrifice some fine Italian leather, walnut dashboard and others. Along with a BMW I have a Lincoln for a more comfy ride and not that the C6 is uncomfortable, itís been taken on quite a few long road excursions without complaint.

Never could understand taking a classic like a Ď67 and dropping a modern plant in it. A 425hp 427 would suit me just fine as would the original small block and keep the classic unmolested. To each his own I guess.
Never could understand doing a resto mod? Drive one.

Also, if that is what you want, get a Miata. I am shopping for my 4th Miata right now
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Never could understand doing a resto mod? Drive one.

Also, if that is what you want, get a Miata. I am shopping for my 4th Miata right now
I’ve driven a few quite nice resto swaps before, not my thing. I like classics left classic. I’ll pass on the Miata. I like the power:weight just fine in my C6.
About 20 years ago I did briefly own a Pinto with a warmed over 302 under-hood. It was a little rocket but a real handful when the road turned.
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Wow, great rebuttal! Clearly I have seen the errors of my ways and now believe there's no possible way General Motors has ever lied about a car before! They've clearly only ever produced the best automobiles made in the world - every car, every model!

You sir are clearly more intelligent than the rest of the world and your opinions and statements are the gold standard by which all should be judged.
Clearly everything is a conspiracy, God is real, the Earth is flat, 9/11 was an inside job.........and GM are lying about the CoG for the new C8............which doesn't really exist because it's also a conspiracy.

Thanks for the wokeness, brah.
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Why is so much bad blood for the C8? Track testing has shown this is the real deal.
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Why is so much bad blood for the C8? Track testing has shown this is the real deal.
Because the Internet has allowed people to stay anonymous while they say purposefully stupid shit and then claim, "lol bro it was a joke, I'm so edgy" and other similar stupid thought processes.
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Speed and performance were never a problem with any generation of Corvette. Now that the interior has been addressed, so probably won't be a problem either. But it's also true that speed is not a problem for some of the more high end cars either. It's the personal preference and the finer things that ultimately determine what car you will buy. People with money will ultimately choose 911, R8 ... and the likes. Sure there will be cross shoppers but as usual those are the exception, not the norm. Based on the drivetrain, chassis construction, I think it will still be somewhat hairy-chested and blunted compared to some of the European alternatives.
If someone were to give me either a C8 or a 992 Carrera for free, I will choose the 992 even with a large gap in performance, because I know GM has not addressed some of the little things that irritates me with past Corvette.
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Speed and performance were never a problem with any generation of Corvette. Now that the interior has been addressed, so probably won't be a problem either. But it's also true that speed is not a problem for some of the more high end cars either. It's the personal preference and the finer things that ultimately determine what car you will buy. People with money will ultimately choose 911, R8 ... and the likes. Sure there will be cross shoppers but as usual those are the exception, not the norm. Based on the drivetrain, chassis construction, I think it will still be somewhat hairy-chested and blunted compared to some of the European alternatives.
If someone were to give me either a C8 or a 992 Carrera for free, I will choose the 992 even with a large gap in performance, because I know GM has not addressed some of the little things that irritates me with past Corvette.
Money matters and it will be a track monster. Porsche and BMW M should be sweating and I am finally thinking of buying American.
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Money matters and it will be a track monster.
I am sure there are buyers in your situation. It will be seen how many will ultimately make the switch.

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Porsche and BMW M should be sweating and I am finally thinking of buying American.
I am sure the same thing was said when the C7 came out.
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Speed and performance were never a problem with any generation of Corvette. Now that the interior has been addressed, so probably won't be a problem either. But it's also true that speed is not a problem for some of the more high end cars either. It's the personal preference and the finer things that ultimately determine what car you will buy. People with money will ultimately choose 911, R8 ... and the likes. Sure there will be cross shoppers but as usual those are the exception, not the norm. Based on the drivetrain, chassis construction, I think it will still be somewhat hairy-chested and blunted compared to some of the European alternatives.
If someone were to give me either a C8 or a 992 Carrera for free, I will choose the 992 even with a large gap in performance, because I know GM has not addressed some of the little things that irritates me with past Corvette.
Money matters and it will be a track monster. Porsche and BMW M should be sweating and I am finally thinking of buying American.
How is this that different when it was C6 or C7?
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Money matters and it will be a track monster. Porsche and BMW M should be sweating and I am finally thinking of buying American.
Nothing BMW makes right now is a competitor to the Corvette concerning performance and its been that way for years now(outside of maybe the M4 GTS). The Camaro and M3 are closer competitors.

As far as Porsche, Porsche fans and Corvette fans will continue to buy the same cars with few cross shopping or switching sides.
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How is this that different when it was C6 or C7?
Not just different but a huge difference, mid-engine.
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