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      11-29-2022, 01:32 PM   #991
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I know this was a few years ago but I remember the entire eastern seaboard being blacked out for about a week. Can you imagine all eat emergency services being reliant on EV's? I fear the rush to this EV Nirvana might be a bit hasty. \\https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/20...ackout/567410/
Over here the gov. bozos got the diesel thing completely wrong and now the EV scenario is doomed to fail with us to pay for it massively and they? shrug their shoulders and pat themselves on the back proud at the billions they will have wasted citing carbon zero.
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      11-29-2022, 02:11 PM   #992
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Did anyone predict any swing in ev sales the past 3 years? Hell make it 2 years? Nope.

As car makers make more ev’s and eliminate ice options From their lineup is going to show you that swing.

Give it time. I know it’s hard to accept but hey denial is actually detrimental to your health.
Lots of people did. Here is a google search with a date cutoff of 3 years ago.

https://www.google.com/search?q=pred...29%2F2019&tbm=

This is an interesting chart that came from the search above.



https://www.connect4climate.org/info...ional-vehicles
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      11-29-2022, 03:34 PM   #993
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Cool. A chart about what ifs lol.

Still can’t debunk what I just said above but it’s ok.

Let’s keep going.
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While we are fact checking the masterdebater, I'd like clarification on this:



The California 2035 gas ban was announced August 25, 2022. or 96 days ago.

what has accelerated rapidly in the last 96 days?
California's brownouts
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I don't know, I kind of find TSA body searches exciting and worth the long lines to wait for my turn. And look at how much more civil and safe passengers behave mid-flight.
.. and just imagine the fun if Richard Reid used his underwear instead of his shoes
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      11-29-2022, 03:57 PM   #996
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Cool. A chart about what ifs lol.

Still canít debunk what I just said above but itís ok.

Letís keep going.
Did anyone predict a swing in ev sales 3 yeasts ago? Why, yes, yes they did.

You said nope, Iíve shown that to be false.

Come on masterdebater, you can do better.
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      11-29-2022, 04:12 PM   #997
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Did anyone predict a swing in ev sales 3 yeasts ago? Why, yes, yes they did.

You said nope, Iíve shown that to be false.

Come on masterdebater, you can do better.
Chart shows swing in 2048ish......
We could all be dead by then
Nuclear winter
Or aliens come and gave use mana as new energy source
That doesn't show a swing......rather a long term best case scenario
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I am saying you will see a gigantic swing come 2030 where it leans heavily on EV taking the majority of the roads. While i don't doubt MANY will still own or keep an ICE in their possession (like i am), the fact of the matter is EV will be dominating ICE come 2030.
Majority of vehicles on the road will be EV by 2030, you really believe this? So over 50%?

Even the current admin pushing these regulations, don't even say this. They have set a goal for half of new car sales to be electric, fuel cell or hybrid electric vehicles by 2030. Their own study shows if half of all cars sold by 2030 were electric, EVs could make up 60%-70% of cars on the road by 2050.

Looks like 2050 for "majority" to be EV's.
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Did anyone predict any swing in ev sales the past 3 years? Hell make it 2 years? Nope.

As car makers make more ev’s and eliminate ice options From their lineup is going to show you that swing.

Give it time. I know it’s hard to accept but hey denial is actually detrimental to your health.
Answering questions with questions I see. What is your numerical outlook on this topic? How much is "more"? How should a "swing" be quantified?

Do you have a quantitative view on the swing you expect in 2030?
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Chart shows swing in 2048ish......
We could all be dead by then
Nuclear winter
Or aliens come and gave use mana as new energy source
That doesn't show a swing......rather a long term best case scenario


I'm using this definition of Swing :

move or cause to move in a smooth, curving line.

Which one are you using?

If we use mine, the swing started long ago, rather than the "great 2035 gas ban" of August 2022.

When will the "swing" matter? likely in or near 2048, and as you have pointed out, so much might happen to change our priorities anyway.

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Majority of vehicles on the road will be EV by 2030, you really believe this? So over 50%?

Even the current admin pushing these regulations, don't even say this. They have set a goal for half of new car sales to be electric, fuel cell or hybrid electric vehicles by 2030. Their own study shows if half of all cars sold by 2030 were electric, EVs could make up 60%-70% of cars on the road by 2050.

Looks like 2050 for "majority" to be EV's.
Half the ICE's on the road today will still be on the road in 2030, let alone all the ones yet to be built.

I'd believe 2050 is possible for the balance to shift, but not much sooner, and is all still predicated on discovering some as-yet undiscovered solution(s).
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Answering questions with questions I see. What is your numerical outlook on this topic? How much is "more"? How should a "swing" be quantified?

Do you have a quantitative view on the swing you expect in 2030?
Not just a swing, a Gigantic one :

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I am saying you will see a gigantic swing come 2030 where it leans heavily on EV taking the majority of the roads.
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Not just a swing, a Gigantic one :
Unless you call 10% gigantic?

Recent study:
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The projected 26.4 million EVs will make up nearly 10 percent of the 259 million light-duty vehicles (cars and light trucks) expected to be on U.S. roads in 2030.
https://www.eei.org/News/news/All/ee...-roads-in-2030
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Unless you call 10% gigantic?

Recent study:


https://www.eei.org/News/news/All/ee...-roads-in-2030
Well a 10% bigger wang is kinda a big deal
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Jesus Christ you guys are hilarious. BGM is going to put you ALL on ignore.

Lol.
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Jesus Christ you guys are hilarious. BGM is going to put you ALL on ignore.

Lol.
Then claim victory because no one can debate him.
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Like i said it’s fun to judge results in present time.

This will be fun to watch as each year that passes.

Gigantic swing for ev on the way!!!
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Like i said it's fun to judge results in present time.

This will be fun to watch as each year that passes.

Gigantic swing for ev on the way!!!
Yawn X11
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News in I heard is that Switzerland is considering banning EV usage as a measure to conserve power supplies.
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News in I heard is that Switzerland is considering banning EV usage as a measure to conserve power supplies.
Several news stories about it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...shortages.html
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News in I heard is that Switzerland is considering banning EV usage as a measure to conserve power supplies.
Interesting. Is gasoline and diesel vehicle usage similarly banned?
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