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You just need to have two cars for yourself. I have two kids, 16 and 19. I bought my Cayman about 2 years ago. My other car is a 2016 M235 that I've owned for nearly 9 years. Both cars have worked out exceptionally well for me and I can still get the wife and kids in the M235 for less than 1 hour jaunts and my daughter only wants me to take the Cayman when it's just her and me
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Nope, I have a C4. It's tje most.underrated Corvette. Tons of analog feedback from the steering and chassis. 300hp LT1 and an incredibly smooth (honestly almost too smooth) ZF 6 speed manual. It's not the fastest thing out there by and means, but it's still good for 0-60 in the 5s, and sounds glorious doing it with muffler deletes. And the LT1 responds really well to heads and cam packages,.you can bolt up another 100+ HP for like $2k. I think that's kinda too much power for the chassis personally, but the ZR1 had 400hp with its DOHC motor stock. Those with heads and cams upgrades get nearly 600hp in a totally atreetable stock like package.
The early ones are even more not fast, but they handle great. They were actually so good that they got KICKED OUT of racing because all the other automakers couldn't compete, so they had to create the Corvette Challenge series. Pretty interesting. But no, the C4 is not the worst generation by a longshot. |
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Selling us on a car's engine layout based on a really long road course as if that's the only metric that matters. If you want to accelerate quicker from a stop you want to put the engine over the rear axle. 2019 Car and Driver ZR1 755 hp/715 lb.ft of torque 0-60 in 3.0 seconds 2020 Car and Driver Z51 495 hp/470 lb-ft of torque 0-60 in 3.0 seconds 2017 Car and Driver Grand Sport 460 hp/465 lb-ft 0-60 in 4.0 seconds (OUCH!) If you like I can show you the Z06's acceleration times. Here's C&D's lightening lap for your road course fun, 2023 Chevrolet Corvette Z06, 2:38.6 2019 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1, 2:39.5. All with far less hp and torque, impressive isn't it. What would you suggest they do to increase the ZR-1's acceleration time, maybe consider moving more weight from the front to the rear? Your issue with the Corvette is you don't like how it looks and don't think it is as fun. Any objective tests it crushes the old layout.
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When you optimize for handling and lap times, that means downforce, Downforce means drag. Even the GT3 RS top speed isn't that high, slower than the GT3...because they made that next-level downforce, where the Z06 is closer to the non-RS GT3. So going 207 with all the downforce/track optimization is damn impressive.
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I'd hate to be in a street car and ball it up at 207 MPH. I'm not sure you'd get out of that situation alive.
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No. I highly doubt you do.
Also, the "1000hp" of the ZR1 is going to be at the crank, SAE, essentially the engine power. For a long time, euro mfrs have advertised their "power at the wheels" numbers, which gives them a giant advantage when it come to testing. The cars aren't really equivalent, but the testers don't know better at the time.
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GM also has a history of underrating motors, especially LS ones.y belief is that's more to account for manufacturing variation than anything, they rate them for the lowest potential output (which is what the Germans claim is the case, that they rate their motors at "worst case, high altitude, high temperature, and shit DA basically). Granted, GM underrating was 10-15 HP Max, whereas my X5 M50 is rated for like 80 crank HP less than it actually makes. |
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I love Corvettes. My C7Z was one of the craziest cars that I ever had. I put a deposit on the C8Z pretty early and backed out of it a long time ago.
The performance is all there, FOR SURE but as time goes on the car becomes more and more hideous to me. It had the reverse G8x effect. It looked amazing when they first announced it but then you start seeing them in person and the proportions are strange, the rear end looks awful and as much of an improvement that the interior is, it's still cheap as shit when you compare it to the build quality of German cars. I'm ok with all of that but not at that price. I agree with the poster above who says it looks like a Ferrari with downs. |
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My observations over many years is that there are two kinds of cars guys - those who appreciate all cars regardless of deficiencies, and those who are overly critical of anything they specifically do not (or have not) owned.
I'd also suggest that extends beyond the hobby for most people, and can be succinctly summarized as "my shit doesn't stink".
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The GT350 is one of those cars that I both wish I owned and am absolutely terrified of. Ironically for the same reason, the engine. It's a freaking sweetheart motor, so fun, so revvy, and in a great chassis too. It's also a horribly unreliable motor, and they've long run out of replacements for the voodoo. I don't know what you do now if your motor grenades. And it will.
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Another indication of poor character is the inability to say "my bad" when confronted with poor behavior. Instead relying on deflection and personal attacks. Now had you said, "It looks like a Ferrari designed by someone with a "New York State of mind" that would be okay, because New Yorkers are fair game. Want to keep going? It won't end the way you think.
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My LT1 is SAE rated for 455hp. It dynos about 401 at the wheels. There is nothing underrated about that. |
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