2027 Genesis GV60 Magna - Production Debut

[ShocknAwe]

Originally Posted by dgoldenz

I need this gran coupe with the blue interior:

https://www.genesis.com/worldwide/en...e-concept.html

That will not age well.

[Phillies8008]

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

Hmmmm... Some unfounded hate against what has become a highly reputable and profitable car manufacturer on a global scale.

Maybe we should here from folks in the industry. Maybe executives and engineers from Porsche? Let's see what they think of Hyundai shall we...

“This Is The Way” Says Porsche Exec After Driving Hyundai’s Ioniq 5 N | Carscoops https://share.google/HKwa6HQc0Q09nA5y1



Way more impressions at the link above.

None of this speaks to them being piss ugly and falling apart after five years. Nor to their dealer network being one of, if not the, worst to deal with.

Are they doing good things mechanically? Sure, maybe. Do I want one? Nope.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by Phillies8008

None of this speaks to them being piss ugly and falling apart after five years. Nor to their dealer network being one of, if not the, worst to deal with.

Are they doing good things mechanically? Sure, maybe. Do I want one? Nope.

I will say, for as big of pieces of poorly engineered, unreliable junk that modern BMWs are... The dealers are ALWAYS nice. They're always helpful and at least pretend that they're trying to help you and on your side. That counts for a lot. Call my BMW dealer service area and you get a nice girl who calls you "love" and "sweetie" and stuff like that and you're like "whoa girl I'm married". Compare that to like a Dodge dealership, where you call and you get someone aggressively asking "Whatcha want?".

Buying my BMW was smooth and easy, trying to buy a Hellcat Durango (and failing to) was a nightmare. Dodge dealers will refuse to go e you an actual price until you're in the store. Said their district manager told them not to, because"customers will take those printouts and try to use them with other dealers for a better price". Like yeah, that's our job as the customer to seek the best price we can.

All that to say, the people I know who have nicer Hyundai's (Palisade has replaced a TON of German SUVs at our daycare because they're nicer, more reliable, and cheaper -not one parent that has made the switch has said anything negative about them) or Genesis (it's popular with the retirees in my neighborhood too) have had a y complaints, especially not about the dealer. Maybe we have a uniquely good dealer? Maybe the overall image is tarnished by subpar customers that used to buy most Hyundais? I dunno, I don't have the answer here, but if they built the right car, and didn't do something stupid with like subscriptions and stuff like that, I'd consider them.

[JABCAT]

These are some of the best-looking vehicles to come out lately. New BMWs, and many others, are just ugly.

Re: BlkGS's constant bashing of BMW lately. I'm sorry you had issues with your X5, but I don't know what the point of constantly claiming they're poorly engineered is? My counter is my two current flawless BMWs, my previous BMW, my in-law's countless BMWs over the years, many of my wife's friends drive BMWs, nearly all her colleagues drive BMWs & none that I am aware of have any issues to complain about.

And no offense, complaining about BMW quality and then talking about trying to buy a Durango Hellcat in the same paragraph tanks the credibility of your complaints. Dodge is consistenly ranked as one of the worst quality/reliable manufacturers on the planet.

[Davil]

Originally Posted by Phillies8008

None of this speaks to them being piss ugly and falling apart after five years. Nor to their dealer network being one of, if not the, worst to deal with.

Are they doing good things mechanically? Sure, maybe. Do I want one? Nope.

My wife’s Kia that she had for 7 years was very well built and incredibly reliable. She just traded on another Kia. The Koreans used to make terrible cars but that was some time ago now. Just go in with an open mind. The real crap is all Chinese now but they will likely improve with time. History repeating itself.

[TXSTYLE]

Originally Posted by Davil

My wife’s Kia that she had for 7 years was very well built and incredibly reliable. She just traded on another Kia. The Koreans used to make terrible cars but that was some time ago now. Just go in with an open mind. The real crap is all Chinese now but they will likely improve with time. History repeating itself.

My neighbor has a new, loaded Telluride. I was very impressed with the interior, tech and comfort.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by JABCAT

These are some of the best-looking vehicles to come out lately. New BMWs, and many others, are just ugly.

Re: BlkGS's constant bashing of BMW lately. I'm sorry you had issues with your X5, but I don't know what the point of constantly claiming they're poorly engineered is? My counter is my two current flawless BMWs, my previous BMW, my in-law's countless BMWs over the years, many of my wife's friends drive BMWs, nearly all her colleagues drive BMWs & none that I am aware of have any issues to complain about.

And no offense, complaining about BMW quality and then talking about trying to buy a Durango Hellcat in the same paragraph tanks the credibility of your complaints. Dodge is consistenly ranked as one of the worst quality/reliable manufacturers on the planet.

I didn't think I was bashing BMW really - their dealers were great. I think you've got a uniquely good batch of cars man. My neighbor has an X5 and she's had a bunch of little issues (and a TON of tire issues, which aren't BMW's fault to be fair. But damn I've never seen people go through tires like them. They smashed a sidewall on a curb at our school, replaced them with some $3000 Michelins which they then had one go bad going over a highway expansion joint. Wild). My coworker has an X6 M50i, was very similar to mine, and she had to have the AC replaced, had transfer case issues, and a couple other things.

That said, I wasn't buying the Hellcat for reliability, though frankly I think that's probably one of the most reliable Carson the road. Forged pushrod motor without AFM, ZF8 transmission, beefy differentials and transfer case.... It's a recipe for a reliable vehicle outside of electronics and knowing for a fact your rear taillight panel would screw up.

Anyway, my point of all of that was dealer experience matters..you can have the best cars with the worst dealer and hate it, or have the worst cars with the best dealer and like it. I had a friend who's wife had a series of Land Rovers. They were JUNK. Constantly broken, constant issues, but every time something went wrong (very often) they drove out to their house with a loaner, usually a Range Or er, gave her that car, and took hers back. The service kept them coming back despite the cars being total crap.

[JABCAT]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

I didn't think I was bashing BMW really - their dealers were great. I think you've got a uniquely good batch of cars man. My neighbor has an X5 and she's had a bunch of little issues (and a TON of tire issues, which aren't BMW's fault to be fair. But damn I've never seen people go through tires like them. They smashed a sidewall on a curb at our school, replaced them with some $3000 Michelins which they then had one go bad going over a highway expansion joint. Wild). My coworker has an X6 M50i, was very similar to mine, and she had to have the AC replaced, had transfer case issues, and a couple other things.

That said, I wasn't buying the Hellcat for reliability, though frankly I think that's probably one of the most reliable Carson the road. Forged pushrod motor without AFM, ZF8 transmission, beefy differentials and transfer case.... It's a recipe for a reliable vehicle outside of electronics and knowing for a fact your rear taillight panel would screw up.

Anyway, my point of all of that was dealer experience matters..you can have the best cars with the worst dealer and hate it, or have the worst cars with the best dealer and like it. I had a friend who's wife had a series of Land Rovers. They were JUNK. Constantly broken, constant issues, but every time something went wrong (very often) they drove out to their house with a loaner, usually a Range Or er, gave her that car, and took hers back. The service kept them coming back despite the cars being total crap.

CDJR dealers are some of the worst when it comes to service. We owned ~ 7/8 different Jeeps before giving up on them with the '23 Grand Cherokee L Summit my wife ordered. From the moment she went to pick it up (10 hours away) there was issues. She ordered the High Altitude pkg for $2k that was supposed to include gloss black trim, wheels, emblems, and roof rails. The vehicle came with gloss black grille, dark graphite wheels, grey emblems & bright silver roof rails.

The build sheet, however, said it had all the gloss black components. Jeep refused to replace any of the non-black items because they said "the build sheet says it came with them". The dealership's Regional Director refused to do anything because we were out-of-state customers.

Upon getting it home, the massage seats never worked, the electrical was glitchy as hell, the software kept getting errors, the leather on the steering wheel came off in a few hundred miles, and the steering wheel buttons would not sit in the steering wheel completely (design flaw). The local dealer said "I'm not gonna really go to bat for you on these items because you didn't buy it from me".

So we traded it in on the X3MC after about 9 months of ownership. The only positive was that we purchased it for 6% below invoice, so we hardly lost anything on the trade-in.

In total, I've owned 16 CDJ vehicles from Wranglers to Grand Cherokees to a 300 SRT 8, and others. Every one was a nightmare dealership experience if I needed service or warranty work.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by JABCAT

CDJR dealers are some of the worst when it comes to service. We owned ~ 7/8 different Jeeps before giving up on them with the '23 Grand Cherokee L Summit my wife ordered. From the moment she went to pick it up (10 hours away) there was issues. She ordered the High Altitude pkg for $2k that was supposed to include gloss black trim, wheels, emblems, and roof rails. The vehicle came with gloss black grille, dark graphite wheels, grey emblems & bright silver roof rails.

The build sheet, however, said it had all the gloss black components. Jeep refused to replace any of the non-black items because they said "the build sheet says it came with them". The dealership's Regional Director refused to do anything because we were out-of-state customers.

Upon getting it home, the massage seats never worked, the electrical was glitchy as hell, the software kept getting errors, the leather on the steering wheel came off in a few hundred miles, and the steering wheel buttons would not sit in the steering wheel completely (design flaw). The local dealer said "I'm not gonna really go to bat for you on these items because you didn't buy it from me".

So we traded it in on the X3MC after about 9 months of ownership. The only positive was that we purchased it for 6% below invoice, so we hardly lost anything on the trade-in.

In total, I've owned 16 CDJ vehicles from Wranglers to Grand Cherokees to a 300 SRT 8, and others. Every one was a nightmare dealership experience if I needed service or warranty work.

100%. The first and only good experience I've had with a CDJR dealership was buying my WKSET8 a few weeks back. Probably because it was such a simple deal. I got a kid that couldn't have been more than 20-21 as a sales rep, and I was the only local.persom that had a y interest in it. They knew they'd have a hard time financing it to someone and I was a cash buyer, so everything went super smooth and fast.

That said, every other interaction I've had with a CDJR dealer sucked. Getting a dealer to call you back to buy a HC Durango was step 1. They won't give you a quote on one until you're in person, because they don't want to disclose all the junk fees they add on. One sales guy literally told me that none of the dealers in FL would give me a written estimate unless I was in person because their district management prohibits them from doing so, to try to increase transaction prices. As much as I liked the HC Durango, I hated the dealer experience and just simply couldn't bring myself to give them that much money. If any brand needed direct sales.options, it's Stellantis. But their MSRPs are all jacked up to the moon, so direct sales will still be a rip off.

That said, Stellantis still sucks. The transfer case for it requires a fluid change every 30k miles. Some time after they went from FCA to Stellantis, they discontinued the fluid they take. With no replacement for it, just whatever stock of it is left. Oh and it's $100 a quart, and takes 2 quarts.

[JABCAT]

Looking at these Genesis SUVs, I kinda like there are no options to choose from & everything is included. The GV70 with the black and orange looks great - anything orange calls to me

The wife will not own any EV, so the Magma GV60 is a no go.

[Vexige]

I was one the first owners, purchased GV60P in 9/2022. Put around 40k miles on it and last month gave it to our son... Had several recalls- one hardware, others all software. The biggest complaint across the board- dealer service (some techs are appallingly incompetent), no promised valet or loaners sometimes for weeks, even though I became friendly with SM (he drives G81) and, in general, didn't have a problem. This car is excellent-tech, performance, ergonomics... I only wish it had another 50-70 miles of range and better app. Magma will be even better... Not a fan of "looking fast" parts on Magma, though...