'25 Toyota 4Runner Trailhunter

[Donut Lord]

[chassis]

New 4Runner launch seems to have been fairly low key.

SR5, Limited or Platinum are in consideration, among others, for a next vehicle. 4Runner is arguably the best vehicle on the planet in current production.

[NickyC]

Neat, I like that color.

[whofelt]

Typical Toyota, I’m sure they’re going to purposely make like some stupid low number and then claim low supply and charge crazy market adjustments.

[Donut Lord]

Originally Posted by chassis

New 4Runner launch seems to have been fairly low key.

SR5, Limited or Platinum are in consideration, among others, for a next vehicle. 4Runner is arguably the best vehicle on the planet in current production.

I love our 4Runner. Which trim is your choice though?

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by chassis

New 4Runner launch seems to have been fairly low key.

SR5, Limited or Platinum are in consideration, among others, for a next vehicle. 4Runner is arguably the best vehicle on the planet in current production.

That's a pretty damn tough argument to make.

Wheezy 4 cylinder that isn't that reliable.
Still crappy gas mileage
Still painfully slow
No longer has the limited aftermarket support that comes with having used the same v6 and transmission for like 25 years or more.

I think you'd have a hard time arguing a 4Runner is a better vehicle than like a Tahoe Z71 diesel, which is larger, more capable, more reliable, and better on fuel.

[Donut Lord]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

That's a pretty damn tough argument to make.

Wheezy 4 cylinder that isn't that reliable.
Still crappy gas mileage
Still painfully slow
No longer has the limited aftermarket support that comes with having used the same v6 and transmission for like 25 years or more.

I think you'd have a hard time arguing a 4Runner is a better vehicle than like a Tahoe Z71 diesel, which is larger, more capable, more reliable, and better on fuel.

Yes, but very different tools. Anytime I have been overlanding, 1 out of every 4 vehicles was a 4Runner. The other 3 of 4 were probably Jeeps haha.

While I'd love to see it, no one is really off roading their Tahoe Z71 diesels beyond their crappy driveways. But I wish that wasn't the case.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by Donut Lord

Yes, but very different tools. Anytime I have been overlanding, 1 out of every 4 vehicles was a 4Runner. The other 3 of 4 were probably Jeeps haha.

While I'd love to see it, no one is really off roading their Tahoe Z71 diesels beyond their crappy driveways. But I wish that wasn't the case.

To be fair, people who overland are a tiny segment of the population, and they're over landing the last generation with the V6 that can ot be killed.

[XutvJet]

Toyota should have stuck to a 3.8-4.0 V6, added direction injection, done some intake manifold wizardry, and then added their tried and true 8 speed auto. The motor would have gained 30hp/tq+, MPGs would have increased 15-20%, and acceleration times would have dropped substantially. But no, they added a turbo motor and a hybrid option that is FAR more complex than a NA V6. Toyota hasn't done well at all with it's turbo motors.

The 6th 4runner isn't much quicker and mpgs are only fractionally better. Bonkers. The 5th gen 4Runner did 0-60 in upper 7s and 1/4 mile in the upper 15s at 88ish mph. The 6th gen non-hybrid 4runner does it in 7.5 seconds and 15.7@90mph. My wife's 2020 TRD Off Road on A/T tires routinely gets a combined mpg of 17. The 6th gen non-hybrid gets 18 mpg. LOL.

We paid $38K for our loaded 2020 TRD Off Road Premium (list was $45K). The 6th TRD Off Road starts at $55K and most sell for $59k-ish!?!?!!??!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?

We love our 2020 4Runner. The biggest issues with the truck are it's wallowy, nose-diving suspension (easily fixed with a $500 set of Bilsteins) and it's 5 speed auto. The 5 speed is fine around town and speeds below 65mph, but at higher speeds, long grades, and/or wind, the transmission is dim witty, has overly long gears, and can gear hunt annoyingly. If they would just put in the RWD-based 8 speed auto that has been out since freaking 2007, the 5th gen 4runner would have been epic.

[Donut Lord]

Originally Posted by NickyC

Neat, I like that color.

Color's name is Everest!

[Donut Lord]

Originally Posted by whofelt

Typical Toyota, I’m sure they’re going to purposely make like some stupid low number and then claim low supply and charge crazy market adjustments.

I would say that TRD Pro/Trailhunters are low number with no claim to low supply.

To me, so a great extent, TRD Pros sell base 4Runners like how Raptors sell base F150s.

[Donut Lord]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

To be fair, people who overland are a tiny segment of the population, and they're over landing the last generation with the V6 that can ot be killed.

Agreed. I say that all the overlanding/off road features simply make everyday driving better. Like even Raptors, most probably haven't been off road besides driveways, but leaving any concert where you are sitting in a car line for 2 hours? meh lets just drive through this field and hop this curb like it is nothing lol [exactly what I have done in my 4Runner like 5x)

[Donut Lord]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

Toyota should have stuck to a 3.8-4.0 V6, added direction injection, done some intake manifold wizardry, and then added their tried and true 8 speed auto. The motor would have gained 30hp/tq+, MPGs would have increased 15-20%, and acceleration times would have dropped substantially. But no, they added a turbo motor and a hybrid option that is FAR more complex than a NA V6. Toyota hasn't done well at all with it's turbo motors.

The 6th 4runner isn't much quicker and mpgs are only fractionally better. Bonkers. The 5th gen 4Runner did 0-60 in upper 7s and 1/4 mile in the upper 15s at 88ish mph. The 6th gen non-hybrid 4runner does it in 7.5 seconds and 15.7@90mph. My wife's 2020 TRD Off Road on A/T tires routinely gets a combined mpg of 17. The 6th gen non-hybrid gets 18 mpg. LOL.

We paid $38K for our loaded 2020 TRD Off Road Premium (list was $45K). The 6th TRD Off Road starts at $55K and most sell for $59k-ish!?!?!!??!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?

We love our 2020 4Runner. The biggest issues with the truck are it's wallowy, nose-diving suspension (easily fixed with a $500 set of Bilsteins) and it's 5 speed auto. The 5 speed is fine around town and speeds below 65mph, but at higher speeds, long grades, and/or wind, the transmission is dim witty, has overly long gears, and can gear hunt annoyingly. If they would just put in the RWD-based 8 speed auto that has been out since freaking 2007, the 5th gen 4runner would have been epic.

Any mods on the '20 TRD Off Road?

[Sedoy]

Or just further develop their 2GR-FXE V6 hybrid system and slightly increase battery capacity. It’s a bulletproof V6 with bulletproof batteries, easily passing emissions, and the RX450h gets about 30 MPG. Arguably one of the most reliable drivetrains humans have created, no idea what Toyota is doing.

Originally Posted by XutvJet

Toyota should have stuck to a 3.8-4.0 V6, added direction injection, done some intake manifold wizardry, and then added their tried and true 8 speed auto. The motor would have gained 30hp/tq+, MPGs would have increased 15-20%, and acceleration times would have dropped substantially. But no, they added a turbo motor and a hybrid option that is FAR more complex than a NA V6. Toyota hasn't done well at all with it's turbo motors.

[vt100]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

My wife's 2020 TRD Off Road on A/T tires routinely gets a combined mpg of 17.

Any other changes from stock besides of AT tires you have? 17 feels quite low for stock I'd say.
My 2018 with 33" AT tires, very heavy rock sliders, roof rack, 2.5" lifted, and regeared to 4.88 gives me ~15.5mpg on highway.
Before all the mods I was getting 19-20mpg constantly.
NM, only now I noticed you said it was "combined mpg"

[vt100]

Besides the engine, Toyota also dropped the ball with the 2nd row seats - they don't go down the same way you could fold them in 5th gen. The floor in cargo area isn't flat any more and that's a big deal to me.

[spazzyfry123]

Originally Posted by chassis

New 4Runner launch seems to have been fairly low key.

Agreed! I'm a Toyota guy with two Toyotas in the garage right now, and I passed one of the new 4Runners in traffic this week. My initial reaction was "what is that?" then followed by "oh yeah, they came out with a new 4Runner."

I'm convinced Toyota's only marketing plan for this is to hand it over to YouTubers. I don't think I've seen the first billboard, commercial, anything. Just the random 4Runner thumbnail that creeps into my YouTube feed now and again.

There is seemingly tremendous overlap between it and the new "Land Cruiser"/GX (ahem - Prado). Their wheelbases are identical, overall length and width have less than an inch difference. Heck, even the prices have overlap. I'm still a bit lost as to what it is...

[Donut Lord]

Originally Posted by spazzyfry123

Agreed! I'm a Toyota guy with two Toyotas in the garage right now, and I passed one of the new 4Runners in traffic this week. My initial reaction was "what is that?" then followed by "oh yeah, they came out with a new 4Runner."

I'm convinced Toyota's only marketing plan for this is to hand it over to YouTubers. I don't think I've seen the first billboard, commercial, anything. Just the random 4Runner thumbnail that creeps into my YouTube feed now and again.

There is seemingly tremendous overlap between it and the new "Land Cruiser"/GX (ahem - Prado). Their wheelbases are identical, overall length and width have less than an inch difference. Heck, even the prices have overlap. I'm still a bit lost as to what it is...

Yes, there is some serious LandCruiser-4Runner overlap. Last gen, Land Cruiser was like a $100k vehicle, now it is priced right at 4Runner prices. Fortunately for Toyota there are plenty of people who are in the 4Runner-cult and the Land Cruiser-cult. Source: 4Runner-cult-e

[spazzyfry123]

Originally Posted by Donut Lord

Yes, there is some serious LandCruiser-4Runner overlap. Last gen, Land Cruiser was like a $100k vehicle, now it is priced right at 4Runner prices. Fortunately for Toyota there are plenty of people who are in the 4Runner-cult and the Land Cruiser-cult. Source: 4Runner-cult-e

Yep, I have two Land Cruisers with one being the last generation. To be fair, the current stateside variant is the "Land Cruiser Lite" (Prado), so not entirely apples to apples. I suppose I just don't understand why we have the 4Runner and Land Cruiser as they seem to be the same vehicle in the simplest of terms. To your point, pick your cult and buy. If I were in the market, I'd be on the Lexus GX train with its powertrain offering (plus I think they look a ton better!).

[Donut Lord]

Originally Posted by spazzyfry123

Yep, I have two Land Cruisers with one being the last generation. To be fair, the current stateside variant is the "Land Cruiser Lite" (Prado), so not entirely apples to apples. I suppose I just don't understand why we have the 4Runner and Land Cruiser as they seem to be the same vehicle in the simplest of terms. To your point, pick your cult and buy. If I were in the market, I'd be on the Lexus GX train with its powertrain offering (plus I think they look a ton better!).

I love GXs, since they are full time 4H they are more idiot proof, but too much driver confidence also creates idiots the other way too

[ShocknAwe]

I can't wrap my head around the need for these huge LCD/tablet displays.

Would be a cool new car otherwise.

I still think the old ones are better.

[Donut Lord]

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

I can't wrap my head around the need for these huge LCD/tablet displays.

Would be a cool new car otherwise.

I still think the old ones are better.

Why I like our 5th Gen. Big enough/updated enough to age well. Sort of like 90s CGI. Isn't as good as 2000+ but you aren't laughing at it.