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[NYG]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

So, I had to repair my bridge that crosses the river I live on. It's a culvert pipe bridge constructed of concrete. This morning, I just looked up what I paid for concrete to build the original bridge in 2004. A cubic yard of delivered concrete in 2004 was $87. Extrapolate that price to 2025 dollars and a cubic yard in 2025 should cost $140.

The repairs I did this past month in September 2025, I paid $250/cubic yard for concrete. At some point the internet decided concrete is a massive globalwarmingclimatechange impact product; you can Google it. I never knew concrete was bad for the climate; I always figure it made everyone's life better.

I'm sure some Green politicians somewhere (cough-cough, Washington DC) made the price of concrete drastically increase under the guise of saving the planet.

I deal with that fly ash and recycled pozzolan crap all the time. Don't worry though, all the bleeding heart baristas on the internet feel good about themselves. Life is amazing when people aren't exposed to reality.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Ohio Enthusiast

When recycling, some materials can be returned to basically pristine condition (I believe glass and some metals are like that) while others can't (most plastics). These get used in products that don't need high quality materials. I imagine that used motor oil is too contaminated and broken down to be usable as base stock for new motor oil without expensive refining, so I would imagine it could be used for things like asphalt or bitumen. Similar to shredded tires used in playground rubber mats and not into new tires.

Does that happen in practice? I have no idea. I dump my used motor oil and other fluids at the county's recycling center, but I have no way of knowing what do they actually do with that afterwards.



To be fair producing Portland cement is very energy intensive and produces a lot of CO2 off gassing as the raw materials are turned into cement. This is not something new or a decision by any shadowy cabal. I'll leave the question of who should pay for the environmental cost for the politicians.



Far more likely to be corporates being corporates, piggy-backing on inflation and tariffs even if they have nothing to do with it.

Humans are energy intensive and produce a lot of CO2...

[NYG]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Humans are energy intensive and produce a lot of CO2...

Everything has become extreme, on both ends. There's no middle ground any more because everyone is so afraid of having unique opinions.

It's completely reasonable to say that "we contribute to SOME climate change but the world will adapt, as it has forever, and not end as a result of it so let's stop destroying our economies and life while private entities in China and India flourish at our expense.

[freakystyly]

To be fair, concrete production is one of the top 5 pollution sources. Then there's aggregate pits and all those fun things marking the countryside.

It also just so happens that all of our large structures are built out of it.

[NYG]

Originally Posted by freakystyly

To be fair, concrete production is one of the top 5 pollution sources. Then there's aggregate pits and all those fun things marking the countryside.

It also just so happens that all of our large structures are built out of it.

That's fair but China produces concrete 20x and India 3x as much as the US, let alone Europe which outside of Russia is a massive magnitude lower.

This just reinforces the point that we shouldn't be destroying our economies and pockets for countries like China.

None of these politicians take any of this seriously anyway, they all make money off of these idiotic "green initiative" bills and we pay for it.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by NYG

Everything has become extreme, on both ends. There's no middle ground any more because everyone is so afraid of having unique opinions.

It's completely reasonable to say that "we contribute to SOME climate change but the world will adapt, as it has forever, and not end as a result of it so let's stop destroying our economies and life while private entities in China and India flourish at our expense.

Extremely well put.

The SCIENCE says that our climate has changed many times over the years. Sometimes quite rapidly. The real problem is our expectation that the planet should be static.

Within human history the Sahara was a lush grassland, and the isle.of Britain was connected by land to France and Denmark.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by freakystyly

To be fair, concrete production is one of the top 5 pollution sources. Then there's aggregate pits and all those fun things marking the countryside.

It also just so happens that all of our large structures are built out of it.

The irony is that somehow it's considered "green" to make giant things of concrete and stuff CO2 into them.

[jaffles]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Got the "Troll" label already! LOL.

like a trout swimming upstream

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by jaffles

like a trout swimming upstream

It just happens.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

Extremely well put.

The SCIENCE says that our climate has changed many times over the years. Sometimes quite rapidly. The real problem is our expectation that the planet should be static.

Within human history the Sahara was a lush grassland, and the isle.of Britain was connected by land to France and Denmark.

I always ask Climate Fearers, "what date* in the planet's history do you want the climate to be changed back to?" I never get a straight answer.

* it can be a date, century, millennium, epoch, era, etc.

[freakystyly]

I don't think you can argue that "short term" pollution is good thing though... sure the world will trend towards healing itself eventually but the trends are not trending in that direction.

Check out New Delhi's air quality from the last couple days Diwali celebrations. And that's just from fireworks, not even factories or cars.

Smoke from the forest fires affecting many here (many of those fires were man made but that's another story).

Noticeable air quality improvements during covid lockdowns.

Ozone layer holes appearing from CFCs and later healing when their use stopped.

Mankind does have some influence even though we are ants on the globe. One man, not so much.

[Socal_R8]

amzing someone would put their real name on such an absolute idiotic article

[jaffles]

Originally Posted by freakystyly

I don't think you can argue that "short term" pollution is good thing though... sure the world will trend towards healing itself eventually but the trends are not trending in that direction.

Check out New Delhi's air quality from the last couple days Diwali celebrations. And that's just from fireworks, not even factories or cars.

Smoke from the forest fires affecting many here (many of those fires were man made but that's another story).

Noticeable air quality improvements during covid lockdowns.

Ozone layer holes appearing from CFCs and later healing when their use stopped.

Mankind does have some influence even though we are ants on the globe. One man, not so much.

I liken humanities impact to standing in a forest, than a grass paddock, and lastly a bitumen car park. Spend some time in each and note insect/wild life activity & diversity, temperature, and humidity. Its chalk and cheese stuff.

Then, yes the earth may (probably will) heal itself if you give it a chance. Show it some respect. But like the human body if you keep smashing it, abusing it, the cancer and disease sets in and its game over generally.

I sometime wonder, what did the earth ever do climate questioners beside give them fresh air, water, and the biodiversity to live.

[Davil]

We are just a tiny blip in the earth’s history. It will happily re-generate.

In fact climate has always been changing since the dawn of the planet. It is quite amusing that we believe man made co2 has any meaningful impact on the climate. If anything more co2 has a positive benefit to the planet. Unfortunately we are at a stage where agendas are now preventing scientific debate as it has now become dogma. Dogma is being used for control of society and the money making schemes that come along with that. It cannot be questioned. It, along with many other questionable narratives are programmed into the education system.

What I do not like is pollution and destruction of nature. Destroying nature to produce fields of hideous polluting wind farms. They are even now trying to declare that rainforests are bad for the environment. It just beggars belief. Environmentalism has long since disappeared. That’s pretty sad.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by freakystyly

To be fair, concrete production is one of the top 5 pollution sources. Then there's aggregate pits and all those fun things marking the countryside.

It also just so happens that all of our large structures are built out of it.

But can you imagine how many hundreds of millions of trees and tens of millions of gallons of wood preservation chemicals would be needed to build and repair the bridges we all drive over every day. Not to mention the vast increased risk factor of them failing and how many people would die when they do?

[BlkGS]

Personally I find that car on emissions are less the problem, and the bigger issue is that we keep cutting down forests to make make for more people, more data centers, more solar farms, whatever.

If you really want to go green and make a difference, buy up a couple hundred or thousand acres in the 3rd world so they can't clearcut it. That's what Steve Irwin did, and he has more conservationist and ecologist in the memory of him than any EV driving dweeb that wants to feel good about themselves.

[freakystyly]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

But can you imagine how many hundreds of millions of trees and tens of millions of gallons of wood preservation chemicals would be needed to build and repair the bridges we all drive over every day. Not to mention the vast increased risk factor of them failing and how many people would die when they do?

Not arguing the pros or cons of concrete. It is what it is. We would certainly be living in a strange pre-industrial world if it didn't exist. Similar goes for steel.

Just got to realize it isn't a magic powder that appears in bags at home depot like groceries in a store do.

[maticCRO]

Originally Posted by Davil

What I do not like is pollution and destruction of nature. Destroying nature to produce fields of hideous polluting wind farms.d.

What are you on about, wind farms polluting?? We installed one a few years ago here in Croatia , it is considered one of the LEAST invasive /polluting renewable sources of energy on the planet... FYI

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

Personally I find that car on emissions are less the problem, and the bigger issue is that we keep cutting down forests to make make for more people, more data centers, more solar farms, whatever.

If you really want to go green and make a difference, buy up a couple hundred or thousand acres in the 3rd world so they can't clearcut it. That's what Steve Irwin did, and he has more conservationist and ecologist in the memory of him than any EV driving dweeb that wants to feel good about themselves.

I keep 35 acres of virgin forest in Virgina uncut.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by maticCRO

What are you on about, wind farms polluting?? We installed one a few years ago here in Croatia , it is considered one of the LEAST invasive /polluting renewable sources of energy on the planet... FYI

I'd rather have a nuke plant.

[Efthreeoh]

If you want to entertain yourself, Google "Wind Turbine failures" on the internet.

https://www.bing.com/videos/rivervie...73&FORM=VCGVRP

Even the horses know when to GTFO the way.

[jaffles]

Originally Posted by Davil

We are just a tiny blip in the earth’s history. It will happily re-generate.

In fact climate has always been changing since the dawn of the planet. It is quite amusing that we believe man made co2 has any meaningful impact on the climate. If anything more co2 has a positive benefit to the planet. Unfortunately we are at a stage where agendas are now preventing scientific debate as it has now become dogma. Dogma is being used for control of society and the money making schemes that come along with that. It cannot be questioned. It, along with many other questionable narratives are programmed into the education system.

What I do not like is pollution and destruction of nature. Destroying nature to produce fields of hideous polluting wind farms. They are even now trying to declare that rainforests are bad for the environment. It just beggars belief. Environmentalism has long since disappeared. That’s pretty sad.

Do you watch SkyNews by chance?

Not to confident many are debating climate has never changed, or humans made co2, its what humans do that creates unbalanced levels of co2. Bit like scientist saying humans are over fishing oceans.....but others say that's rubbish. A harbour of small traditional trawlers however is vastly different numerous fleets of a 12 ship off shore processing plant guided by satellite tracking. Or nets small enough to catch Krill but open to 300m+ (1000ft) wide, or a fleets of ships running 100km (60 mile) long lines. I understand the Middle East was once green and lush until farming goats turned it into the sandy land it is today. Once the trees go the climate changes and the water doesn't return. Scientists are just saying we are baking the planet in an oven bag. Its what we are doing is changing the balance of co2. Imagine if the family then you neighbors all started pissing in the pool every time, reckon the water balance would change? Still want to swim? But occasion rain sort of fixes the imbalance.

Big money, big media, big oil, big religion are just a few who have guided agenda and probably always will, but its glaringly obvious today. The obvious tug o war of money, slander and sales debunking science or truth is a rabbit warren of failure. If one knows a scientist or two, for most the only agenda they have is understanding and proving reality. Power, position, money, trends, sales are simply not what they are about. I recall as a kid at my public school we had religion woven into the agenda, Australia biggest bank bribing us to open an account with them, the Easter bunny and Santa. So agenda has been around for a while now in education.

Indeed its truly sad clearing virgin forest for renewable energy, especially when we have cleared land from other uses that may have failed. However if a famer can turn failed or low income crop land into a paddock of glass making money, its really no different than clearing land for crop. Just different. Perhaps wind where the cows no longer roam is not the greatest sight but neither is a coal power station, or shimmering baron land void of live stock kilometer after kilometer as one heads down the road. For me however when you witness on mass hundred possibly thousand year old rain forests rich in diversity cleared for woodchip and sold at $6 per tone just so we have printer and toilet paper. You learn to accept we are just blips on the earth, bacteria even. The earth will live on for sure but what is certain the humans occupying it will not. What is interesting the reason given for past civilizations becoming extinct are still relevant today.

(from google)
Climate change
Competition with modern humans
Disease
Inbreeding and genetic factors