Ready to take the plunge (into Porsche)

[baege]

Originally Posted by mfarrzhp

You guys have me considering the Z4 M now. I’ve never drive one. I did have the S54 in my old E46 though. I have considered a blue E46 M3 to complement my M2, which seems like a bargain next to the Cayman GTS. And I do have this alternate idea of getting a blue E46, E92, along with my F87 for the Blue M combo garage (instead of a Porsche).

interestingly, there is a Blue Emira live on BAT that looks really nice. There is also a Silver 981 GT4 with some miles that could be a good buy. I have a feeling I’ll be bidding on one of those.

I love the E86, still miss mine but when I moved from my E86 to a 2014 Cayman S that Cayman S brought me to another level of enjoyment

I test drove an E86M when I had my CGTS 4.0 and walked away saying while i love that car and its lots of fun it doesnt bring the fizz quite as much the 4.0, where the engine is more visceral and stronger, better transmission, better sound

it seems you have a thirst for a posche and you should quench it, they are just another level of experience

but make sure whatever porsche you choose it has a naturally aspirated flat six, that is a HUGE part of the porsche experience

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

That's what i meant, Z4M. I maintain they are the absolute best value sports cars on the market bar none.

I'll go on record to say the 1st gen Z4 chassis doesn't necessarily need to be of the ///M variety to be fun and even a better value...

[Speedy4]

I am with you. I just sold my E46 M3 and I am close to pulling the trigger on a 2024 M2. I have a 2024 911T and I absolutely love it. That with my wife's Cayenne GTS, I love being in my garage!

At my age the 911T is enough HP. It is near perfect and given the way prices, especially M/T's it is fairly affordable. The 24 is the last of the somewhat analogue 911's.

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I'll go on record to say the 1st gen Z4 chassis doesn't necessarily need to be of the ///M variety to be fun and even a better value...

And I'll go on record and say that you don't need a GT-level or S-level Porsche for it to be a TON of fun and a WAY better value, especially if all you're doing is daily, b-road stuff, auto-x, and maybe an occasional day at the track.

[HeelToeShift]

I would vote for a 991.1S/GTS in rwd with manual. It's the modern day 993 and values support this so it will be a model you can drive while not losing money. The manual is still very good - not AS good as the Porsche 6 but it's still way better than any BMW manual I've owned or any other manual I've driven besides the 6 speed I had in my two 718 GT4s. Beyond that, the car is light - with manual and PCCB I think you're just over 3100 lbs - which btw is 400 lbs lighter than the 992 base. The 3.8 F6 howls and sounds best of any modern day car that isnt a GT3. Plenty of power and torque too. It also sounds better than the 4.0 in my 718 GT4s too. Aside from this it's still more analog than digital, and more raw and visceral than artificial like the new cars feel and certainly doesnt feel cheap like the new cars do with their masses of audi parts and cheap black plastic and unpainted black plastic on the bumpers and trim.

[ShocknAwe]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

I would vote for a 991.1S/GTS in rwd with manual. It's the modern day 993 and values support this so it will be a model you can drive while not losing money. The manual is still very good - not AS good as the Porsche 6 but it's still way better than any BMW manual I've owned or any other manual I've driven besides the 6 speed I had in my two 718 GT4s. Beyond that, the car is light - with manual and PCCB I think you're just over 3100 lbs - which btw is 400 lbs lighter than the 992 base. The 3.8 F6 howls and sounds best of any modern day car that isnt a GT3. Plenty of power and torque too. It also sounds better than the 4.0 in my 718 GT4s too. Aside from this it's still more analog than digital, and more raw and visceral than artificial like the new cars feel and certainly doesnt feel cheap like the new cars do with their masses of audi parts and cheap black plastic and unpainted black plastic on the bumpers and trim.

Interesting. I found the 991.1 GTS to be quiet and overly refined. Lots of plastic with artificial padding and I didn't like the 7MT ratios at all. If you can't get a car with Porsche 6MT I'd reconsider.

Speculators demand limited production cars and so the X51 package cars are stable value buys. But they're also more expensive by a long shot and if you're not planning to sell it in the near future then it's a moot point.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

Interesting. I found the 991.1 GTS to be quiet and overly refined. Lots of plastic with artificial padding and I didn't like the 7MT ratios at all. If you can't get a car with Porsche 6MT I'd reconsider.

Speculators demand limited production cars and so the X51 package cars are stable value buys. But they're also more expensive by a long shot and if you're not planning to sell it in the near future then it's a moot point.

Overly refined compared to what though? The 991 is a IMO the best mix of modern before they got all cheap and chintzy with the 992s. Again, prices do support that.
My car is a 2013 - it was one of the highest spec cars of the .1 gen and was more expensive than most of the .2 and even until about 2023 more than most of the 992s. Only know of 2 or 3 cars more expensive and that was only because of X51 while the lacked other things like 18 way adaptive seats, some of the leather options etc. I have been offered it's original MSRP of 140K back from many dealers (Ryan Friendman just sold a nearly identical spec for close to 200K). It's PTS (which was extremely rare), 7MT, leather everything (exclusive manuf too), PDCC, PCCB, Sports Chrono, LEDs, etc. Porsches have always had long ratios. My 991.2S, my 991.2T, my two 718 GT4s all had long ratios. The 991 and 992 GT3 have long ratios. It's not until you get an RS car that they do much here.
The X51 cars are really not worth the money. And if you wanted, the entire package can be bought from Suncoast for like 10K. Either way, it's not a game changer in performance.

[mfarrzhp]

Thoughts on this one if I can get it in the mid $80s? No buckets, miles and a couple blemishes but I like the spec. Wouldn’t feel guilty putting miles on it.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...ayman-gt4-231/

[baege]

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

Interesting. I found the 991.1 GTS to be quiet and overly refined. Lots of plastic with artificial padding and I didn't like the 7MT ratios at all. If you can't get a car with Porsche 6MT I'd reconsider.

Speculators demand limited production cars and so the X51 package cars are stable value buys. But they're also more expensive by a long shot and if you're not planning to sell it in the near future then it's a moot point.

I test drove a 991.1 GTS when I had my GTS 4.0 as a possible replacement

such beautiful cars, my GTS 4.0 looked downright frumpy next to it

but in terms of the driving experience, I actually preferred my 4.0,

the 4.0 is a more compelling engine, revs higher and feels stronger
the 3.8 in GTS sounds better overall, definitely sounds better outside, but inside its not a huge margin, the 4.0 cars have the proximity of the engine in their favour and so in terms of intake sound, I would say the 4.0 actually wins
exhaust is no contest, the 3.8 GTS cars sound absolutely amazing and way better than a stock 4.0
the 6 spd is much better than the 7 speed
the 991 feels bigger

when I got back into my 4.0 i immediately thought I like this better

I kept my GTS 4.0 because in the end for me the only thing the 991 had over it, was looks

[baege]

Originally Posted by mfarrzhp

Thoughts on this one if I can get it in the mid $80s? No buckets, miles and a couple blemishes but I like the spec. Wouldn’t feel guilty putting miles on it.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...ayman-gt4-231/

I think its a great buy at 80k, sounds amazing, every drive would be an event in that thing.

as a third car I would take it over the GTS 4.0 you were considering

[mfarrzhp]

Originally Posted by baege

I think its a great buy at 80k, sounds amazing, every drive would be an event in that thing.

as a third car I would take it over the GTS 4.0 you were considering

Yeah, $80K plus the fee seems fair. It sounds like a riot with the headers.

Too bad it’s pretty much the farthest point in the continental US from my house. Would love to do a fly and drive home, but that’s a 3 day haul.

Never know with these auctions. Sometimes it seems you get 2 or 3 guys that bid crazy amounts, but I’m hoping the miles and low profile spec keeps it reasonable.

Going to pick up some takeout in my CS to keep me from being too impulsive.

[ShocknAwe]

GT4 would be a great match. You can throw some pole positions in it and be done.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by mfarrzhp

Yeah, $80K plus the fee seems fair. It sounds like a riot with the headers.

Too bad it’s pretty much the farthest point in the continental US from my house. Would love to do a fly and drive home, but that’s a 3 day haul.

Never know with these auctions. Sometimes it seems you get 2 or 3 guys that bid crazy amounts, but I’m hoping the miles and low profile spec keeps it reasonable.

Going to pick up some takeout in my CS to keep me from being too impulsive.

This is a great alternative to a 911 but make sure you probe into the accident if you've not already. Having owned multiple 718 GT4s myself (as well as a Cayman S and Cayman GTS), I still prefer the driving dynamics of a 911.

[mfarrzhp]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

This is a great alternative to a 911 but make sure you probe into the accident if you've not already. Having owned multiple 718 GT4s myself (as well as a Cayman S and Cayman GTS), I still prefer the driving dynamics of a 911.

Will do. Thanks. I found the another Silver GT4 fairly local with buckets, CCBs and sport Chrono. Also has some miles and a mild accident. Asking $98K plus dealer fee. I think it’s probably worth the price delta unless I can steal the auction under $80K.

There’s always my 50th birthday in 2028 to add a 911. I’ll need to procure extra garage space.

[baege]

Originally Posted by mfarrzhp

Will do. Thanks. I found the another Silver GT4 fairly local with buckets, CCBs and sport Chrono. Also has some miles and a mild accident. Asking $98K plus dealer fee. I think it’s probably worth the price delta unless I can steal the auction under $80K.

There’s always my 50th birthday in 2028 to add a 911. I’ll need to procure extra garage space.

how many miles on the more local one?

buckets do add a lot to the experience, is it gt silver or rhodium?

gt silver is much nicer IMO

[chassis]

Originally Posted by baege

how many miles on the more local one?

buckets do add a lot to the experience, is it gt silver or rhodium?

gt silver is much nicer IMO

GT Silver is my favorite Porsche silver, followed by Dolomite Silver Metallic. Rhodium is not my cup of tea, neither is Quartzite.

[mfarrzhp]

Originally Posted by baege

how many miles on the more local one?

buckets do add a lot to the experience, is it gt silver or rhodium?

gt silver is much nicer IMO

GT silver. 28,500 miles.

I have a really busy week, so I won’t be able to check it out until next Saturday. I hope nobody here gets the same idea, because I think this is the one, unless someone with a better eye can tell me why I shouldn’t (assuming clean DME).

GT4

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by mfarrzhp

Will do. Thanks. I found the another Silver GT4 fairly local with buckets, CCBs and sport Chrono. Also has some miles and a mild accident. Asking $98K plus dealer fee. I think it’s probably worth the price delta unless I can steal the auction under $80K.

There’s always my 50th birthday in 2028 to add a 911. I’ll need to procure extra garage space.

CCBs are great. Have them on my 911 and on my G80 M3 CS. They are still the best I've had in a car - though that only includes Porsche, BMW, and MB ceramics. Other than CCB and manual, the other great thing is PTS which was virtually as non-existent for the 981 GT4 as it was the 991.1 Carrera range.
That price seems ok but again would want to understand what the 'mild' accident is. My rule with Porsche is, if its not new, is find the cleanest, lowest mileage, and highest optioned car you can within your price range.

[maticCRO]

Originally Posted by mfarrzhp

GT silver. 28,500 miles.

I have a really busy week, so I won’t be able to check it out until next Saturday. I hope nobody here gets the same idea, because I think this is the one, unless someone with a better eye can tell me why I shouldn’t (assuming clean DME).

GT4

It looks its in a really GOOD condition, Mileage is super low for a 2016 car, my brother has 2021 GT4 that has the same buckets, they offer great support and they are pretty comfortable considering how thin the padding is. Getting in and out of those seats is a beat of a core workout, but once you get that muscle memory, its not that hard to get out of them.
If you are ok with the price (i dont know US market so cant tell you if its good or too much or anything) I think you cant go wrong with this car, my brother uses his as a daily, did 18k miles in 18months,no issues whatsoever.
Happy shopping whatever you choose hehe

[mfarrzhp]

Originally Posted by maticCRO

It looks its in a really GOOD condition, Mileage is super low for a 2016 car, my brother has 2021 GT4 that has the same buckets, they offer great support and they are pretty comfortable considering how thin the padding is. Getting in and out of those seats is a beat of a core workout, but once you get that muscle memory, its not that hard to get out of them.
If you are ok with the price (i dont know US market so cant tell you if its good or too much or anything) I think you cant go wrong with this car, my brother uses his as a daily, did 18k miles in 18months,no issues whatsoever.
Happy shopping whatever you choose hehe

Thanks. I should fit fine in the buckets at 6’ and 150lbs. I think the price is pretty good for a high spec car in the US.

They are holding it for me on Deposit, and I’m 99% sure I’m going to purchase it on Tuesday. They refinished the wheels and put brand new rubber on it with a fresh service. I think it’s a fair price for the US.

Looking forward to the 90 minute drive home!

[dgoldenz]

Price seems $5-10k high for the miles but it's a dealer so not surprising. I wouldn't buy a 28k mile GT4 from a non-Porsche dealer when it's not CPO'd unless it was some crazy rare spec I could never find again, but that's just me.

Edit - just saw it was in a rear end collision with another car, and they're asking full clean carfax retail on it with no warranty....I'd pass personally.

[mfarrzhp]

Originally Posted by dgoldenz

Price seems $5-10k high for the miles but it's a dealer so not surprising. I wouldn't buy a 28k mile GT4 from a non-Porsche dealer when it's not CPO'd unless it was some crazy rare spec I could never find again, but that's just me.

Edit - just saw it was in a rear end collision with another car, and they're asking full clean carfax retail on it with no warranty....I'd pass personally.

I’m looking nationally, and it seems to be a better asking price than most. Yes, it’s on the higher mileage side with a minor accident, but the current owner has put 12K miles on it over 6 years.

I’ve been looking for a while and it’s very hard to find a 981 GT4 with carbon buckets, PCCB, leather dash, and sport Chrono for under $100K. Most of those are white, red or yellow, which I don’t want. Also, I like the silver wheels more than the satin or black. It’s exactly what I want and I’m willing to pay up a few grand for the spec that has everything I’m looking for. I will test drive it first to make sure it’s what I expect.

I would hope a JLR dealer is reputable, but we will see. If something is off, I can bail from the deal and I’m out $1K. They told me they got a full cash offer about 4 hours after I put my deposit. I meant to say I’m test driving it, likely buying Saturday (not Tuesday). Thanks for the feedback.