718 Porsche concerns.

[M5Rick]

718 GTS with just 10k on the clock, interior floor water ingress with dealer servicing under question..then the PADM fault .

[c1pher]

Just like anything, cars are made to drive and require care. Porsches are no different. A 2018 GTS with low miles, I’m guessing the annual services were not done and the roof seals were not lubed. I had no such issues on either of my 718s. In fact I’m looking for my third 718 lol.

[vt100]

Meh... Nothing really alarming
Just one (of many) poor neglected car

PS: It's no surprise either that dealers don't have good mechanics

[vt100]

Originally Posted by c1pher

Just like anything, cars are made to drive and require care. Porsches are no different. A 2018 GTS with low miles, I’m guessing the annual services were not done and the roof seals were not lubed. I had no such issues on either of my 718s. In fact I’m looking for my third 718 lol.

Also most likely permanently parked outside under trees (so leaves clogged the drain channels).

[Pauly Wauly]

That car was parked outside, you can see clearly that it was neglected by the owner by the look of the clogged drains. I had 2 Boxsters and I never had clogged roof drains.
That car needs a "lot" of TLC that`s for sure, and the owner needs a slap on the back of the head for parking the car outside and letting it get to that poor condition.

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by vt100

Also most likely permanently parked outside under trees (so leaves clogged the drain channels).

Even a quality waterproof car cover would have prevented this if they didn’t have a garage. They aren’t expensive considering the cost of the car.

[BlkGS]

The cope around Porsches is unreal. How many Ford's or Chevies do you think get parked outside and leak and it's considered "the owner didn't keep the car up"? It's insane. Most cars get parked outside. That's normal life. They don't leak like a mofo with low miles because "oh well it got parked outside instead of in a climate controlled garage with a bubble around it".

This one was like like crap. Let's just call it like it is. Are they all like that? Almost certainly not. But this one was a piece of crap when built, either because of Porsche assembly or because of a problem at a subtier. It happens. And being 7 years old at this point, it's out of warranty, and there's nothing more dangerous than a German car out of warranty.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by c1pher

Even a quality waterproof car cover would have prevented this if they didn’t have a garage. They aren’t expensive considering the cost of the car.

This. Lamborghini's last I looked get an all weather car cover as standard so with the cramped build to be as light as possible 718 it wouldn't break Porsche to do that.
The main issue here though was that those drain tubes should have been cleared at Porsche service and it appears that was skipped leading to a saturated floor and blown expensive amplifier sitting there. Porsche goodwill gesture would be a no brainer in this case.

[ShocknAwe]

Is OP looking to buy this car? If not then what's the point? Any car can have problems due to neglect.

911/boxster/cayman cars are all really well built...

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

The cope around Porsches is unreal. How many Ford's or Chevies do you think get parked outside and leak and it's considered "the owner didn't keep the car up"? It's insane. Most cars get parked outside. That's normal life. They don't leak like a mofo with low miles because "oh well it got parked outside instead of in a climate controlled garage with a bubble around it".

This one was like like crap. Let's just call it like it is. Are they all like that? Almost certainly not. But this one was a piece of crap when built, either because of Porsche assembly or because of a problem at a subtier. It happens. And being 7 years old at this point, it's out of warranty, and there's nothing more dangerous than a German car out of warranty.

This car was likely sold in 2017 so it's closing in on 8 years of age. Like others noted, this thing lived its life outside and likely under a tree. Summer tires sitting out in winter weather is what killed the tires. Lots of leaves falling into the rear bonnet area, the leaves degrading, and the lack of proper care is what clogged the drains. Porsche even tells you to be wise of this with cleaning the drains. Clogged roof drains are not a Porsche issue. Search "moonroof clogged drains and water dumping into the interior" on Google and see how makes and models report this issue. As for the PADM fault, well, that's just excessive and needless tech. Again, 8 y/o electronics at play. The degrading of the control arm bushings sucks, but they are completely fine and are only showing surface cracking. That degradation is a time thing, not mileage.

Out of warranty German cars are not necessarily dangerous assuming 1) you inspect your car on a quarterly basis and know what you're looking at and 2) you're willing and able to turn a wrench. In some instances, they can be more timing consuming to work on and may need a specialty tool on occasion, otherwise, it's all just Legos. I love the reactions when I tell people I work on my Cayman or they see it in the garage on the Quick Jacks and all sorts of stuff laying on the ground around it. For me, the most difficult thing to contend with are systems/parts that need coding when repaired. That crap is annoying. Thank God my 987.2 Cayman has very few of those types of parts. Somewhat the same for my 2018 M2 too.

[BlkGS]

I'm gonna be honest man, I just can't see this kind of stuff as acceptable for an 8 year old car. Where I'm from that's basically a brand new car, lol.

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

I'm gonna be honest man, I just can't see this kind of stuff as acceptable for an 8 year old car. Where I'm from that's basically a brand new car, lol.

German cars doing German car stuff. It's all a trade off. Cheaper makes do tend to have more reliable suspension systems because they are way less complex and have far fewer bushings and articulating parts. The rear suspension on my 2011 Cayman is hilarious with all the connection points and various arms. It sure does handle great and the composure and dynamics far exceed what even my much newer M2 can deliver. Not even the same ball game.

[vt100]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

German cars doing German car stuff. It's all a trade off. Cheaper makes do tend to have more reliable suspension systems because they are way less complex and have far fewer bushings and articulating parts.

It's also unrealistic expectations many ppl have about performance cars thinking that they should last the same time as a Camry or Prius.
With Camry ppl just drive them from point A to point B without putting high stress on the car. On most of 10-year Toyotas owners never change suspension bushings until they (either the bushings or the car ) completely disintegrate, who cares if the car is never driven at the limit anyway

But then the same folks jump into an old Porsche and expect it to handle perfect when driving at the limit. Performance cars do require quit a bit of extra maintenance if you want to drive them hard

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by vt100

It's also unrealistic expectations many ppl have about performance cars thinking that they should last the same time as a Camry or Prius.
With Camry ppl just drive them from point A to point B without putting high stress on the car. On most of 10-year Toyotas owners never change suspension bushings until they (either the bushings or the car ) completely disintegrate, who cares if the car is never driven at the limit anyway

But then the same folks jump into an old Porsche and expect it to handle perfect when driving at the limit. Performance cars do require quit a bit of extra maintenance if you want to drive them hard

I was definitely one of those people 10+ years ago. I've drank the Kool-Aid now and won't be able to go back I understand and accept the compromises of owning German cars, especially older ones. For me, it's worth the trade off for the driving experience. I also am very aware that one MUST research any German car's known and potential issues before buying and you sure as hell don't buy a 1-2 y/o model as the real issues likely haven't come to fruition quite yet. I'm also all about joking about German car repair cost ridiculousness.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by vt100

It's also unrealistic expectations many ppl have about performance cars thinking that they should last the same time as a Camry or Prius.
With Camry ppl just drive them from point A to point B without putting high stress on the car. On most of 10-year Toyotas owners never change suspension bushings until they (either the bushings or the car ) completely disintegrate, who cares if the car is never driven at the limit anyway

But then the same folks jump into an old Porsche and expect it to handle perfect when driving at the limit. Performance cars do require quit a bit of extra maintenance if you want to drive them hard

The thing is... You CAN expect this out of a domestic sports car. Jump in a low mile Corvette of that age and it'll be like new. Hell, my C6 is a 2012 and it performs like new, with nothing wearing out. My 1992 vette, not as much, because it's a got 145k miles and so I replaced all the wear items because it's a track car.

A Camaro, Mustang, Corvette, Challenger, Viper... All these cars you can absolutely expect to hold up like a Camry, and most of them are going to outperform the same year Porsches at the same time. A Nissan Z or most Japanese sports cars (sadly those are all but gone) is the same way. So performance cars don't have to equal reliability nightmares with constant expensive upkeep, the Germans just haven't figured out how to do that. Or, more likely in my mind, they know their customers are suckers and will pay for extra upkeep, and that's a big revenue stream, so they have no reason to improve it, because they have an army of owners who will come to defend them when someone is like "wow that's pretty lame that so much stuff goes wrong".

[maticCRO]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

A Camaro, Mustang, Corvette, Challenger, Viper... All these cars you can absolutely expect to hold up like a Camry, and most of them are going to outperform the same year Porsches at the same time. ".

Hahahaha aha WHAT THE ACTUAL F??? are you for real? Mustang and Camaro and Challenger will outperform Porsche cars ROFL... This is the single biggest BS i have ever read, and ive read a lot of American BS in my life... You guys had leaf Springs and thought that is the pinacle of suspension engineering... Sorry but those cars you named dont belong in the same sentence with a Porsche, since the company was started... Ah sorry, i thought porsche Is the most succesfull sport car brand in history, sorry, actually it is dodge ROFL

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by maticCRO

Hahahaha aha WHAT THE ACTUAL F??? are you for real? Mustang and Camaro and Challenger will outperform Porsche cars ROFL... This is the single biggest BS i have ever read, and ive read a lot of American BS in my life... You guys had leaf Springs and thought that is the pinacle of suspension engineering... Sorry but those cars you named dont belong in the same sentence with a Porsche, since the company was started... Ah sorry, i thought porsche Is the most succesfull sport car brand in history, sorry, actually it is dodge ROFL

You clearly buy more into marketing than engineering. Allow me to educate you.

Leaf springs have a few inherent advantages over coils. If you have a tramsver composite spring like in a Corvette, they allow you to not need a huge shock tower, allowing you to push the track out. It also allows you to move you CoG a little lower, and ties the two sides of the car together for better torsional rigidity. The downsides? Cost, as there's not many companies making composite leaf springs like this,as opposed to coil springs that you can have made in large quantities cheaply. Coil springs also are easier to achieve a progressive spring rate on for ride comfort.

Compare the stats of a base Corvette and a base 911 of the same generation. The Corvette will blow the 911 away. 0-60, top speed, lap times, all of it. Top end 911s often compare poorly against the upgraded Corvette models too. Camaros and Mustangs obviously have lower engine base models, but again, their V8 versions typically out accelerate comparable year 911s or run right at their heels. More modern ones will even run lap times similar. And that's vs the 911, let alone the Cayman or Boxster.

Admittedly the Challenger isn't known for its handling prowess, but they're more than a match for a Porsche in a straight line. The Viper? The Viper smoked Porsches everywhere. After all, it held the RWD Ring lap time for like 20 years? The last gen ACR held it from 2017 until 2022, when a Porsche factory team finally was able to beat the Viper's time. Which was run by private people, no factory engineering support, no factory drivers, just money raised by Viper fans who wanted to prove the Viper was the baddest car around... And they did.

[Pauly Wauly]

Originally Posted by maticCRO

Hahahaha aha WHAT THE ACTUAL F??? are you for real? Mustang and Camaro and Challenger will outperform Porsche cars ROFL... This is the single biggest BS i have ever read, and ive read a lot of American BS in my life... You guys had leaf Springs and thought that is the pinacle of suspension engineering... Sorry but those cars you named dont belong in the same sentence with a Porsche, since the company was started... Ah sorry, i thought porsche Is the most succesfull sport car brand in history, sorry, actually it is dodge ROFL

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[vt100]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

The thing is... You CAN expect this out of a domestic sports car. Jump in a low mile Corvette of that age and it'll be like new.

If the Corvette has been parked outside all 8 years?! Highly doubt it will be like new... and actually doubt it will run smooth
And the main issue with this boxster on video is the water damage, everything else is quite expected. But man, this is a convertible for gods sake, check even on this forum how many post we have here about leaking Z4 roofs
Now.. are you trying to tell us that Chevy can make more reliable convertibles?!

Originally Posted by BlkGS

Hell, my C6 is a 2012 and it performs like new, with nothing wearing out. My 1992 vette, not as much, because it's a got 145k miles and so I replaced all the wear items because it's a track car.

C6 2012 is like new?! Sorry, but I can't and don't believe that I've driven some and no, they don't drive like new for many reasons (I love C6 Z06 but chose my current Z4MC just because it gives me much more fun on regular streets and has got a much more precise steering)
Even if you've never driven yours, it will still put lots of stress on the car by itself (but very different kind of stress vs if you'd be driving it hard).

But for C5 - how many times did you change suspension within this 145kmiles? If you track it hard I really doubt it'd happened only once And not a single bushing has failed?!

Originally Posted by BlkGS

A Camaro, Mustang, Corvette, Challenger, Viper... All these cars you can absolutely expect to hold up like a Camry, and most of them are going to outperform the same year Porsches at the same time. A Nissan Z or most Japanese sports cars (sadly those are all but gone) is the same way. So performance cars don't have to equal reliability nightmares with constant expensive upkeep, the Germans just haven't figured out how to do that. Or, more likely in my mind, they know their customers are suckers and will pay for extra upkeep, and that's a big revenue stream, so they have no reason to improve it, because they have an army of owners who will come to defend them when someone is like "wow that's pretty lame that so much stuff goes wrong".

Wow! That was ... something! You come here on daily basis just to tell ppl who love german cars how stupid they are?!

PS: seeing Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger in this list did really make my day

[vt100]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

I was definitely one of those people 10+ years ago. I've drank the Kool-Aid now and won't be able to go back I understand and accept the compromises of owning German cars, especially older ones. For me, it's worth the trade off for the driving experience. I also am very aware that one MUST research any German car's known and potential issues before buying and you sure as hell don't buy a 1-2 y/o model as the real issues likely haven't come to fruition quite yet. I'm also all about joking about German car repair cost ridiculousness.

Hehe... we all were there at some point Some ppl still decide to never leave that place

But that applies to everything, not only German cars. The more performance you're trying to get out of something == the less reliable it's gonna be and will require more thorough maintenance. Or it needs to be severely overengineered and would cost a fortune (but quite often it's both ) Very few exceptions exist

[LH44]

LOL

[maticCRO]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

You clearly buy more into marketing than engineering. Allow me to educate you.

Leaf springs have a few inherent advantages over coils. If you have a tramsver composite spring like in a Corvette, they allow you to not need a huge shock tower, allowing you to push the track out. It also allows you to move you CoG a little lower, and ties the two sides of the car together for better torsional rigidity. The downsides? Cost, as there's not many companies making composite leaf springs like this,as opposed to coil springs that you can have made in large quantities cheaply. Coil springs also are easier to achieve a progressive spring rate on for ride comfort.

Compare the stats of a base Corvette and a base 911 of the same generation. The Corvette will blow the 911 away. 0-60, top speed, lap times, all of it. Top end 911s often compare poorly against the upgraded Corvette models too. Camaros and Mustangs obviously have lower engine base models, but again, their V8 versions typically out accelerate comparable year 911s or run right at their heels. More modern ones will even run lap times similar. And that's vs the 911, let alone the Cayman or Boxster.

Admittedly the Challenger isn't known for its handling prowess, but they're more than a match for a Porsche in a straight line. The Viper? The Viper smoked Porsches everywhere. After all, it held the RWD Ring lap time for like 20 years? The last gen ACR held it from 2017 until 2022, when a Porsche factory team finally was able to beat the Viper's time. Which was run by private people, no factory engineering support, no factory drivers, just money raised by Viper fans who wanted to prove the Viper was the baddest car around... And they did.

Yeah you are gonna educate me hahaaha.. When you have driven and had all the cars i have /had, maybe i would listen what you have to say... Ah, no, even then i wouldnt because negative jealous people dont matter 1% in my life..