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This has never bothered me, so it's weird why you guys care so much. I simply ignore and look right through people who have nothing to do with me.
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As I stated at the beginning, these are categorized under the M Performance class. Not to be confused with M sport class, period. Something tells me you have no understanding of the aforementioned models I reference. |
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Who is doing the comparing? It's usually insecure "M" car owners that seem threatened for some odd reason. |
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My real M-car, a 2004 E46 M3 Coupe, with its special S54B32 engine, special Getrag gearbox, special clutch-type limited slip differential, special suspension, etc. has 17 M badges. My fake M-car, a 2021 M240i, has 15 M badges. Most egregious of them all is the M badge on the plastic cover of the stock B58 engine. The M badges on the brake calipers are ridiculous too, especially when considering that the E46 M3 doesn't even have M badges on its brake calipers... Adding insult to injury, customers can't even order a proper limited slip differential as a factory option on the M240i, M340i, etc. For reference, My $25k 2020 Honda Civic SI Sedan came STANDARD with a helical limited slip differential (at 1/2 the price of my M240i)! This indicates to me that BMW isn't too serious about the actual performance of their "M Performance" line of cars... Anyway. I like my M240i (with the dealer installed M Performance clutch-type limited slip differential), I think its a nice car, and I'm glad that BMW is still producing a few cars like it these days. I also think the adaptive sport suspension in the car is impressive. However, the 15 M badges stuck all over it are a bit too much IMO...
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Lotus does this too. They have the "Cup" series of cars. Some are full-on race cars that can't even be driven on the street legally, while others are standard street cars with some racy bits.
But unlike BMW, if you want to turn your standard Elise/Exige into a Cup car, it's pretty easy, just take your pick of the upgrade parts Lotus bolted on and you're there. |
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I always lol at fake badges too. It's just so lame and I can't for the life of me figure out why people do it.
Doug nailed it describing it as a lose lose. Only an enthusiast will even notice and that person will laugh at you so what's the point. |
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I'm never going to claim my upcoming M340i is an M car because I do personally understand the difference. I am a previous e46 M3 owner so I know as someone else just posted about. It's true that that car had virtually no badges on it and is a well respected, iconic M car. At the same time I just simply don't think it's a reason to shit on today's M performance variants or the like. AMG division does the same stuff but that doesn't make a car like the new CLA45 shit, either. This is a played out conversation that has taken place for many years. I think owners should be happy with whatever car they have which I am. I don't see a need to bash on others, especially people that come across as being an a-hole about it. NOW, having said that, the ones that put their own badges on a car, THAT is a fake one and I'm sure everyone would agree |
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That I can agree with. To be honest, I don't think most people that own an M performance variant claim it's a true M car.
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I remember owning an e46 M3 coupe that was factory ordered to my specs (ex: no sunroof) and taking oil samples from my car and sending them to an independent testing laboratory on a regular basis to make sure there weren't any metal shavings in it. Back in the day there were some that had catastrophic failures with the S54 engine. Fortunately mine did not. I loved that car. |
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02-27-2021, 05:26 PM | #38 | |
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It's small but it's still there. Cutout of official release pictures:
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Not to step into a hornet’s nest, but I think the frustration is mainly this feeling that BMW is intentionally diluting the M brand and confusing the driving public. Then when I go spend a serious premium on a “true” M car it feels like the same people who sold it to me are simultaneously working to undermine the value of what I just bought. Obviously I bought the car for the performance, too, but let’s be real brand cachet was also part of the equation.
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At least here in the US they don't put those M badges on the side like that. Could be that the US is the only market that doesn't. Hell they put them on the same models up in Canada. Seen them everywhere I've been while in Europe too.
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I also don't know why bmw started to produce the grand tourer and active tourer.
It's a popular segment at least in Europe, but there are other brands that do this imho better for a lot less money. (toyota, ford, VAG etc etc) Then again, there seems to be a trend in the last 15 years to produce as much different segment cars and if there still isn't a segment for it.... just create that niche. Therefore there are lots of cars I don't feel connected to from brands I do feel connected to. That last parameter goes down though. Then again there are also brands that do it differently and still only produce cars that are in line with the brand's heritage and primeval goals. Quote:
Then again, if you're buying a 218d grand tourer..... why would you want to. Why even bother with the bumper styling package.....You will only draw more attention to that YOU are driving THAT To me the 2 active/grand tourer screams to me that the man of the house was allowed to choose the brand that he wanted to but not the car that he wanted to...
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Clearly an M car
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