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      01-29-2023, 09:54 PM   #45
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Exactly. It seems like everyone magically got rich overnight & has FU $ to overpay for houses, cars, etc.

It does not add up.
Have you heard of the PPP? Whole lot of people got a whole lot of free cash.
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      01-30-2023, 01:25 AM   #46
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Middle or upper middle class aren't the bulk of people buying new Porsches. The people with a lot of money made a lot more.
The people who own most the of assets, tend to get a lot more wealthy during asset inflation periods.
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Sure, but my original point is why are "normal" cars also ridiculously priced? Why are "cheap" houses not cheap anymore. The people with a lot of money who made more money are not buying single family starter homes or civics etc. Also I would imagine those people could have afforded the 911 even before all this.

The only thing that would make any sense to me is everyone going YOLO as stated in previous posts.
YOLO mentality is exactly what is going on. Debt levels rising.
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      01-30-2023, 05:03 AM   #47
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This sounds like a post written by someone thatís never actually driven the cars and is doing comparisons based on numbers in a magazine. lol

What makes them ďsnob carsĒ exactly? If anything, Porsche has done more to please their enthusiast customers than any other brand and itís not particularly close.
Iíve driven all the ones listed in the comparison I made plus the Taycan. For example, the cayman / boxster is a one trick pony, itís impractical: no back seat, it drones on long cruises, over priced, suffers from bore scoring maybe even on the new models: time will tell, and they are hard to work on. Better steering feel over the M2, sure but the M2 has it beat in most other categories
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      01-30-2023, 04:26 PM   #48
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A lot of them did if you look at what the market did from 2020-2022.
We know a lot did, but as many people that suddenly seem to? No, way too many people.
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      01-30-2023, 04:31 PM   #49
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It's funny that Porsche (and VW) continues to see their stock slide while they carry on with limiting GT allocations and allowing dealers to continue with the markups shenanigans.
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      01-30-2023, 05:03 PM   #50
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It's funny that Porsche (and VW) continues to see their stock slide while they carry on with limiting GT allocations and allowing dealers to continue with the markups shenanigans.
Pretty sure the behavior with markups and GT allocations has nothing to do with their stock.
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      01-30-2023, 05:05 PM   #51
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I’ve driven all the ones listed in the comparison I made plus the Taycan. For example, the cayman / boxster is a one trick pony, it’s impractical: no back seat, it drones on long cruises, over priced, suffers from bore scoring maybe even on the new models: time will tell, and they are hard to work on. Better steering feel over the M2, sure but the M2 has it beat in most other categories
when was the last time you drove one? you are talking about the old pre 2009 ..Porsche had bore scoring issues 1997-2008

the 981 and 718 have zero issues and don't drone on long cruises.
I've have owned both 981 and 718 and have been flawless and are a bargain compared to the bigger heavier big brother 911 these days

droning is usually an issue with aftermarket exhaust and can happen on any car with one.

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      01-30-2023, 05:12 PM   #52
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when was the last tie you drove one? you are talking about the old pre 2009 ..Porsche had bore scoring issues 1997-2008

the 981 and 718 have zero issues and don't drone on long cruises.
I've have owned both 981 and 718 and have been flawless and are a bargain compared to the bigger heavier big brother 911 these days

droning is usually an issue with aftermarket exhaust and can happen on any car with one.
I wouldnít put the bore scoring past them until they rack up high miles. They are all due for a price correction, itís only a matter of time
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I wouldn’t put the bore scoring past them until they rack up high miles. They are all due for a price correction, it’s only a matter of time
Bore scoring happened on M96 engine(97-08). 9A1 blocks switched to Alusil. 9A1 bore scoring is practically non existent. A handful cases, but not anywhere near M96. M96 also had oil starvation issues, that too was solved on 9A1 with baffling and variable oil pump. N55 and S55 in M2 are definitely not without their own faults.

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      01-31-2023, 07:27 AM   #54
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WHoooooooooooooooooooooooa i wouldn't call (A1 bore scoring non existant. It DOES happen and I say that as an owner of one. I stood there and saw/heard a 991.1 at my local Indy with this crazy slapping sound, he said bore scoring.
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WHoooooooooooooooooooooooa i wouldn't call (A1 bore scoring non existant. It DOES happen and I say that as an owner of one. I stood there and saw/heard a 991.1 at my local Indy with this crazy slapping sound, he said bore scoring.
Crazy, I think it might have something to do with the stroke length which puts more load on the side walls. Imagine paying north of $100k for a car where the engine may self destruct. At least with M rod bearings a couple thousand and you have peace of mind
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      01-31-2023, 10:30 AM   #56
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Yeah it's far more likely on the larger capacity engines so the smaller one used in the Boxster SHOULD be ok but 100% do a bore scope. It's about $400 and could save you..... $30K.
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      01-31-2023, 11:24 AM   #57
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Crazy, I think it might have something to do with the stroke length which puts more lid on the side walls. Imagine paying north of $100k for a car where the engine may self destruct. At least with M rod bearings a couple thousand and you have peace of mind
My E92 M3 had rod bearings done and still blew the engine anyway. Two blown engines in 60k miles. One under warranty one not. Fun times!
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      01-31-2023, 12:16 PM   #58
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My E92 M3 had rod bearings done and still blew the engine anyway. Two blown engines in 60k miles. One under warranty one not. Fun times!
Main bearings then? S65 don't seem to fail very much other than bearings.
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Main bearings then? S65 don't seem to fail very much other than bearings.
Nope, rod bearings. Big ass hole right in the side of the engine block. Any high performance car can have engine issues, but for anyone on an M3 forum to say Porsche's are less reliable than a BMW is hilarious.
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Nope, rod bearings. Big ass hole right in the side of the engine block. Any high performance car can have engine issues, but for anyone on an M3 forum to say Porsche's are less reliable than a BMW is hilarious.
Depends on the model, Porsche's M series 3.8 litre is VERY prone to scoring.
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Depends on the model, Porsche's M series 3.8 litre is VERY prone to scoring.
This is what turned me off of a 996 or similar year Cayman and 997.1. Sure, BMW has some bearing issues, but those can be monitored and addressed for a reasonable cost (relative to the price of the car). But bore scoring? By the time you figure out you have it, its usually too late and the ONLY way to fix it is an entire engine rebuild. No thanks. Even when you could get a really nice 996 for under 30k, I was not interested in having $20K in reserve at all times for a rebuild.
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My budget was super tight and never considered a 997.1. I waited for a .2 with a small front end claim to bring the price down rather than roll the dice on the .1
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Porsches have become snob cars, they command too much money even in the used car market. BMW gives you 9/10ths the driving experience, are more practical, more reliable and easier to work on.

Case in point comparisons:

Cayman vs M2
M5 vs Panamera
X3M vs their small SUV whatever itís called again
You think so? Whenever I see a Ferrari or a Lamborghini, I automatically associate the owner with a collection of Ed Hardy shirts and Yeezy shoes.

Not so much with Porsche. They seem to mind their own business and aren't flashy. Classier crowd, if you will.
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The 911 Sport Classic is SOLD. Lol
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You think so? Whenever I see a Ferrari or a Lamborghini, I automatically associate the owner with a collection of Ed Hardy shirts and Yeezy shoes.

Not so much with Porsche. They seem to mind their own business and aren't flashy. Classier crowd, if you will.
Wow, the ignorance is strong with this one...
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not surprised it sold. its like a 1/1200 car or something. you can't modify a turbo or carrera to be one of these. turbo has no manual. carrera doesn't get the widebody. its a collector piece like a 911R.

that being said you can get like 90% of the way there with a manual carrera GTS with buckets. and spend 1/4 of the money.
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