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      02-13-2019, 06:47 PM   #23
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I know Porsche has typically been near the top of the dependability survey, but is that because their owners likely put the fewest miles on the cars in those first 3 years of the survey?
I read somewhere that Porsche implemented a lot of processes from the Toyota quality system. Don't know if true or bust..
That's actually true. Toyota executives went to Stuttgart as far back as the late 1990's to show Porsche the merits of "lean manufacturing."
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BMW builds for the person that buys, or leases one from them, new, and they give a good, four year warranty. Future owners are on their own as various complex expensive peripheral components start reaching their mediocre design life. I do not know of any study that surveys long term reliability past, say 50,000 miles. No German car has components that outlast even the most mundane gasket on a Toyota. Perhaps that's why BMW and the others are by far the most profitable car companies. And that's why there are so many profitable garages in every city that specialize only in BMW repair. That may also be why their resale value is not very good, but which enables most of us to experience one.

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      02-13-2019, 08:56 PM   #25
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Any car that has multiple extra features will suffer statistically from a reliability point of view. BMW makes some of the best bodies available. They are cutting edge and take more risks mechanically to produce the performance at a certain price. ZF 8 speed automatics are probably the best transmissions on the market as are BMW supplied brakes. Without argument BMW produces the best diesel engines but mostly for Europe. BMW's iDrive is considered the best on the market. I can go on.....
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Nice to see the X3 at the top of its segment.
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I know you can't read too much into these but really disappointed in Mazda, also where is Alfa Romeo??
I'm more disappointed at Honda.
Once the industry leader, along with Toyota, it's fallen below industry average and, worse yet, behind Ford.
And Acura has fallen even further ...
That's the truth!!
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      02-14-2019, 02:38 PM   #28
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I'm more disappointed at Honda.
Once the industry leader, along with Toyota, it's fallen below industry average and, worse yet, behind Ford.
Take a close look at a Civic Type R or any new Civic hatchback. The panel alignment and gaps are amongst the worst you will see from anyone. They have been living on reputation for a while now.
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Fun to drive and reliable? Not a bad combination.
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Not surprised to see Land Rover down near the bottom but was surprised to see Volvo close to them. I guess that as electronics get more and more complex, some brands which were once famed for their reliably, go full circle
Volvo is a pretentious Chinese made car. You get what you pay for.
Volvo SUVs are very popular here in the U.K. All Volvos sold in Europe are manufactured in Belgium and Sweden. I'm not a fan myself although I used to be when I had a V70 estate many years ago which had the best front seats of any car I've ever owned - the engine wasn't bad either
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Not surprised to see Land Rover down near the bottom but was surprised to see Volvo close to them. I guess that as electronics get more and more complex, some brands which were once famed for their reliably, go full circle
Volvo is a pretentious Chinese made car. You get what you pay for.
Volvo SUVs are very popular here in the U.K. All Volvos sold in Europe are manufactured in Belgium and Sweden. I'm not a fan myself although I used to be when I had a V70 estate many years ago which had the best front seats of any car I've ever owned - the engine wasn't bad either
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Not surprised to see Land Rover down near the bottom but was surprised to see Volvo close to them. I guess that as electronics get more and more complex, some brands which were once famed for their reliably, go full circle
Volvo is a pretentious Chinese made car. You get what you pay for.
Volvo SUVs are very popular here in the U.K. All Volvos sold in Europe are manufactured in Belgium and Sweden. I'm not a fan myself although I used to be when I had a V70 estate many years ago which had the best front seats of any car I've ever owned - the engine wasn't bad either
Yes I had a s70-t5, and still have an 850. Both have been bulletproof, easy to work on, zero rust, comfy as hell, and pretty quick. Steering feel is not on Bmw par but otherwise great car
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