[bayarea328xit]

"The 2018–19 Honda CR-V, 2019 Subaru Forester, 2019 Toyota RAV4 and 2019 Volvo XC40 earn the highest rating of superior. Five models earn an advanced rating. They are the 2019 Chevrolet Equinox, 2018–19 Hyundai Kona, 2019 Kia Sportage, 2018–19 Mazda CX-5 and 2019 Nissan Rogue. The 2019 Mitsubishi Outlander is rated basic, and the 2018–19 BMW X1 doesn't receive any credit for a rating. Pedestrian detection is standard on the Forester, RAV4, Rogue, X1 and XC40."

"The X1, which comes with BMW's Daytime Pedestrian Detection system, didn't brake at all in the 37 mph parallel adult scenario. The luxury SUV had minimal to no speed reductions in the other tests. In front crash prevention tests, the X1 is rated advanced."

https://www.iihs.org/iihs/news/deskt...strian-crashes

Thread in G05 X5 forum:

https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1585913

[5tony]

Maybe we should all use this picture as our new avatar!

[Jeannie333]

Originally Posted by 5tony

Maybe we should all use this picture as our new avatar!

[bayarea328xit]

This is better...

https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/commen...res_a_zero_in/

[MPBK]

Although IIHS tested with an X1, it applies to most BMWs with that stupid Frontal Collision Warning feature (the one where you set early/late detection).
Yes, I've seen it work (it auto applied brakes for me), but it's totally inconsistent. Not crying wolf is worse than crying wolf too often. I lost confidence in this thing.
Don't rely on it.

[MPBK]

I don't get this... in their site IIHS gives the X1 an ADVANCED rating on Crash Avoidance Mitigation.
Any ideas?
https://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/ve...-door-suv/2019

[alex2364]

Originally Posted by MPBK

I don't get this... in their site IIHS gives the X1 an ADVANCED rating on Crash Avoidance Mitigation.
Any ideas?
https://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/ve...-door-suv/2019

IIHS launched its front crash prevention rating program in 2013 to help consumers sort through a maze of technologies and zero in on the most effective systems. The ratings are based on research by HLDI indicating that forward collision warning and autobrake systems help drivers avoid front-to-rear crashes at both low speeds and moderate speeds.

Under the three-tier rating program, models with optional or standard front crash prevention systems are rated as superior, advanced or basic. Ratings are determined by whether the vehicles have available autobrake, and, if so, how it performs in tests at 12 and 25 mph. The availability of forward collision warning also is factored in.

For a superior rating, a vehicle must have an autobrake system that can avoid a crash or substantially reduce speeds in both tests. For an advanced rating, a vehicle must have autobrake and avoid a crash or reduce speeds by at least 5 mph in 1 of 2 tests. Vehicles that have a warning system only earn a basic rating, provided the system meets National Highway Traffic Safety Administration performance criteria.

https://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/ra...evention-tests

[Millie]

Sounds like a pedestrian problem and not the fault of the vehicle.

[MPBK]

Originally Posted by Millie

Sounds like a pedestrian problem and not the fault of the vehicle.

You are walking it wrong.

[MPBK]

Originally Posted by alex2364

https://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/ra...evention-tests

My question was why the X1 gets ADVANCED rating when in the video IIHS didn't award it any points for completely failing all tests.

[B_M_VV]

Originally Posted by MPBK

My question was why the X1 gets ADVANCED rating when in the video IIHS didn't award it any points for completely failing all tests.

It looks like this is a new test that was not in previous rating system.

[MJE60]

Originally Posted by MPBK

My question was why the X1 gets ADVANCED rating when in the video IIHS didn't award it any points for completely failing all tests.

Could it be that the X1 system is o.k/good at detecting and braking for vehicles (previous tests) but but failed this latest test for detecting pedestrians? I read that BMW response to the latest IIHS test was that the system was NOT designed to detect pedestrians.

Imho BMW has history (e.g driving assistant v. driver assist or navigation plus instead of navigation professional) when it comes to using same/similar terminology to describe some cheaper/simpler systems in the X1 compared to more expensive BMW models like X5. The X1 only has 1 KAFAS camera whereas more expensive BMW models have radar and/or two KAFAS cameras for frontal collision avoidance and active cruise control. The X1 ACC appears flaky and now , despite calling the X1 low speed frontal collision system “Pedestrian Warning with City Braking Function”, it would appear it cannot detect people very well. BMW have put simpler systems in the X1 and talked them up. The low speed system description would certainly appear deliberately misleading if BMW now say it is/was not designed to do the Job!

What is interesting and a very big black mark for BMW is that cars from less prestige brands have performed better in this IIHS test.
One of my friends jokes that the X1 is not a real BMW but just an overpriced Mini. I disagree but they have a point when it comes to the driving assistant system which is an expensive option in most countries/regions including the U.K (I believe now standard on 2019 U.S X1 & X2).

I believe the X1 has good overall safety systems like multiple airbags, abs, system in bonnet/hood to raise rear struts if a pedestrian is hit, etc . It is optional/non-essential features like “driving assistant” , the Head Unit for “navigation & entertainment” where BMW X1 and X2 may be found wanting. The problem for BMW is that some other manufacturers and the public now see many features of driver assistance systems as essential safety systems.

[Jeannie333]

I didnt know such tests existed and I find it really interesting, and very disappointing, that BMW did so badly in such an important test.

[BPMSport]

I'm not convinced the car they tested was even equipped with it...

[Tacoma]

According to Consumer Reports, the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety tested PDS's of various brands and BMW's PDS failed and given a "no credit." According to the report:

"In the IIHS testing, the 2018 Honda CR-V, 2019 Subaru Forester, 2019 Toyota RAV4, and 2019 Volvo XC40 had systems that were rated Superior. The systems in the 2019 Chevrolet Equinox, 2018 Hyundai Kona, 2019 Kia Sportage, 2018 Mazda CX-5, and 2019 Nissan Rogue each received an Advanced rating. The Mitsubishi Outlander scored a Basic rating for its performance, which lagged the other competitors. The BMW X1 received no credit in the testing because the system failed to brake in one scenario and had minimal speed reductions or none at all in the other tests."

"When reached for comment, a BMW spokesman told us 'BMW was particularly disappointed with the results of the 2018 BMW X1 tested. He also noted that 'the upper threshold for the AEB system on the X1 is 60km/h or 37.5 mph as indicated on the vehicle speedometer.' Given that BMW speedometers are calibrated conservatively and that the IIHS test was performed at exactly 37 mph, it may be that IIHS tested the system above the designed threshold."

Assuming threshold is the issue, not sure why BMW set the threshold so high. That's not good because you can still hit and kill pedestrians at speeds well below 37.5 mph or 60 km/h. Can anyone with BMW PDS comment on your experience?

[Bob in IL]

If BMW questions these results it will be up to them to challenge them.

[MJE60]

Originally Posted by BPMSport

I'm not convinced the car they tested was even equipped with it...

IIHS said minimal or no braking for pedestrian frontal collision. Given it did apply some braking ( but not always) in two out of the three test scenarios. I would say that was a miracle if the system wasn’t fitted.
Failure to brake at all (even once) for someone walking along the side of the road (facing away from car), namely the “parallel scenario” is shocking. The X1 was the only car out of 11 SUV’s to fail 100% on this!
In fairness to BMW on the other two scenarios, the X1 system does say it is designed to start the braking process and hold for a short period (around 1.5 secs). It is not designed to fully stop the vehicle if the driver fails to participate, the inconsistency will take some explaining.

I just bet Munich are praying you are right.

[pmc123]

pretty sure OEMs make these safety systems and BMW probably uses a system that other makes use as well. I bet it boils down to that speedometer calibration that CR was speculating might be an issue.

[MPBK]

Originally Posted by BPMSport

I'm not convinced the car they tested was even equipped with it...

Originally Posted by Tacoma

According to Consumer Reports, the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety tested PDS's of various brands and BMW's PDS failed and given a "no credit." According to the report:

"In the IIHS testing, the 2018 Honda CR-V, 2019 Subaru Forester, 2019 Toyota RAV4, and 2019 Volvo XC40 had systems that were rated Superior. The systems in the 2019 Chevrolet Equinox, 2018 Hyundai Kona, 2019 Kia Sportage, 2018 Mazda CX-5, and 2019 Nissan Rogue each received an Advanced rating. The Mitsubishi Outlander scored a Basic rating for its performance, which lagged the other competitors. The BMW X1 received no credit in the testing because the system failed to brake in one scenario and had minimal speed reductions or none at all in the other tests."

"When reached for comment, a BMW spokesman told us 'BMW was particularly disappointed with the results of the 2018 BMW X1 tested. He also noted that 'the upper threshold for the AEB system on the X1 is 60km/h or 37.5 mph as indicated on the vehicle speedometer.' Given that BMW speedometers are calibrated conservatively and that the IIHS test was performed at exactly 37 mph, it may be that IIHS tested the system above the designed threshold."

Assuming threshold is the issue, not sure why BMW set the threshold so high. That's not good because you can still hit and kill pedestrians at speeds well below 37.5 mph or 60 km/h. Can anyone with BMW PDS comment on your experience?

My car came with that feature (supposedly).
The user manual mentions it. There is a setting in iDrive to set the sensitivity (I'm guessing that's what it sets).
I fully believe the results from IIHS, as they validate my results. Yes, I tested it (not in as fancy a way as IIHS did). I had a real size cardboard cutout of my daughter that I was going to dispose of. I placed it in the middle of the road. I was saddened that the car did not stop at all and I ran over it.
I asked the BMW genius and they pretty much told me (in a convoluted way) that the feature is not reliable. BMW has 2 implementations of this feature, one using cameras only, and the other using radar as well (supposedly in higher model trims). The one in my car, and now we know in the X1 as well, does not work. Simple as that.

[Fedorov]

Sorry if this is old news, thread can be deleted if so.

Just thought it was kind of funny the way the BMW just blatantly runs over the dummies
One does not simply step out in front of a BMW..

https://www.motor1.com/news/306384/b...destrian-test/

[jmg]

Originally Posted by Fedorov

Sorry if this is old news, thread can be deleted if so.

Just thought it was kind of funny the way the BMW just blatantly runs over the dummies
One does not simply step out in front of a BMW..

https://www.motor1.com/news/306384/b...destrian-test/

From my personal experience:

The Subaru's Eyesight technology is very impressive and I am not surprised it passed with flying colors.

The BMW's technology is okay, I have it in my i3 and it seems to react too late to stopped traffic/pedestrians but ironically will be way too conservative when following other cars in traffic. I think they need to reprogram it. However, my i3 has prevented one accident in my case where I got distracted and the car in front of me braked hard. I probably would have caught it because I saw the brake lights in the corner of my eye, but the i3 reacted much faster than I would have and stopped the car for me. If the road would have been wet, or I really wasn't paying attention at all, without the safety system, there was a good chance I would have rear-ended the car.

[MPBK]

Originally Posted by jmg

From my personal experience:

The Subaru's Eyesight technology is very impressive and I am not surprised it passed with flying colors.

The BMW's technology is okay, I have it in my i3 and it seems to react too late to stopped traffic/pedestrians but ironically will be way too conservative when following other cars in traffic. I think they need to reprogram it. However, my i3 has prevented one accident in my case where I got distracted and the car in front of me braked hard. I probably would have caught it because I saw the brake lights in the corner of my eye, but the i3 reacted much faster than I would have and stopped the car for me. If the road would have been wet, or I really wasn't paying attention at all, without the safety system, there was a good chance I would have rear-ended the car.

It stopped the car completely for you?
What year model is your i3?