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      02-12-2016, 08:51 AM   #89
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Very impressive, but I still think the Alpina looks like a better overall package. It's great that we get both, though!
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      02-12-2016, 08:59 AM   #90
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Amazing looking beast!!!!
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      02-12-2016, 09:42 AM   #91
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I love this car, but that engine cover needs to be trashed and redesigned.

Man, I really hate their updated "M Performance" logo.
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      02-12-2016, 10:02 AM   #92
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I love this car, but that engine cover needs to be trashed and redesigned.

Man, I really hate their updated "M Performance" logo.
I must agree, love the specs and car itself, but this font used for "Performance" screams 90's.

And yeah I'm complaining about font on engine cover
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      02-12-2016, 10:24 AM   #93
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Wow, this is the boss right here.
The Alpina B7 is impressive, but a V8 vs a V12 is always a loosing battle for the V8.
Nothing is as smooth as a V12, and the sound of it...
Impressive studff BMW, would love to see this in the X7 and other platforms as well :-)
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      02-12-2016, 10:37 AM   #94
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Wow ... Frozen Dark Brown is such an nice color - Sporty and Elegant!
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      02-12-2016, 12:33 PM   #95
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Didn't Alpina already do this?
Alpina, is powered by a twin-turbo 4.4-liter V8 engine, the M760i gets its motivation from a massive 6.6-liter twin-turbocharged V-12.
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      02-12-2016, 12:38 PM   #96
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Meee Waaanttt!!!!
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      02-12-2016, 01:14 PM   #97
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600 hp from a v12 turbo? Definitely underrated l.
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      02-12-2016, 02:29 PM   #98
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The Alpina B7 DOES NOT impress me even one bit.

However, this M760Li xDrive DOES. BMW Group V12 power is now mated to xDrive AWD to deliver higher beast-mode capabilities in a high-end package.

Now that is dope
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      02-12-2016, 02:33 PM   #99
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I get that one is a v12 and the other is a v8. But at the end of the day, without a tune on the v12, the performance seems to be about the same on both this and the Alpina.

At this point, not sure why it is worth paying more for the v12.
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      02-12-2016, 02:36 PM   #100
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Didn't Alpina already do this?
Alpina, is powered by a twin-turbo 4.4-liter V8 engine, the M760i gets its motivation from a massive 6.6-liter twin-turbocharged V-12.
I know. I meant what's the point of this. It's a fast 7. Alpina already made one that presumably weighs less with 4 fewer cylinders, although I haven't looked at the weight difference, if any. Neat idea though, and I suppose this is more 'tunable'?
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      02-12-2016, 03:17 PM   #101
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I get that one is a v12 and the other is a v8. But at the end of the day, without a tune on the v12, the performance seems to be about the same on both this and the Alpina.

At this point, not sure why it is worth paying more for the v12.
1) V12 is smoother (especially at lower revs)
2) Exhaust note will sound better
3) The wheels on the Alpina look like some ghastly piece of shit...........while the 760M wheels on this M760Li xDrive look way better hands-down.
4) Nothing authentic about Alpina. It's similar to what Brabus does to Benz cars
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      02-12-2016, 04:31 PM   #102
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4) Nothing authentic about Alpina. It's similar to what Brabus does to Benz cars
You seriously have no idea what you are talking about.

First of all ALPINA cars are very special and Very different from a regular production BMW cars. M performance vs just Alpina tuning or stock M5 vs stock B5 are two separate worlds.

Second , what Brabus does to for example Mercedes cars, for example cls or s or cl class, is pure hardcore and totally another level in my honest humble opinion and for me they make some pretty insane car transformations , like totally from inside out. And they are ridiculously expensive and unreachable. You can compare Brabus tuning to G-Power BMW'S if you want , but NOT Alpina.
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      02-12-2016, 04:45 PM   #103
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4) Nothing authentic about Alpina. It's similar to what Brabus does to Benz cars
What Alpina does is totally different than what Brabus does, the obvious difference being one is a manufacturer while the other is an aftermarket tuner.

If you want to discuss authenticity, Alpina is as authentic as you can get to a BMW without it being a BMW. All their cars are built in BMW factories using the same production lines as its BMW counterpart but Alpina uses their own parts that they decide they want to use, not necessarily the same parts BMW may use - the end result is car that is manufactured and is different than a BMW and a M car.

Brabus is purely a aftermarket tuner. They have nothing to do with Mercedes other than using their cars as a base. They're not involved in manufacturing in any capacity - customers buy a Mercedes first and then go to Brabus to have it tuned and customized extensively in ways like you would with any car from any manufacturer at a tuner or a garage.

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      02-12-2016, 05:06 PM   #104
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      02-12-2016, 07:02 PM   #105
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This is pretty damn awesome! Only thing I hate are the wheels. Does not look like a M-Sport/M Performance type wheel. Should have gone with something more sporty yet luxury/classic instead like the 312 wheels.

I dig the wheels. There's lineage in that spoke design that gives the 7's otherwise staid lines a bit of 'sportiness'.
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      02-12-2016, 07:21 PM   #106
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Alpina B7 competes against S63 AMG and Audi S8.

M760i xDrive competes against S600/S65.

It will be interesting to see how the M760i xDrive is priced relative to the S600 and S65 AMG. Probably on par with the S600 and below the S65.
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      02-12-2016, 07:26 PM   #107
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600 hp from a v12 turbo? Definitely underrated l.
Probably 600hp to the wheel. Assuming 15% drivetrain loss, we are looking at over 700hp at the crank.
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      02-12-2016, 07:30 PM   #108
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Alpina B7 competes against S63 AMG and Audi S8.

M760i xDrive competes against S600/S65.

It will be interesting to see how the M760i xDrive is priced relative to the S600 and S65 AMG. Probably on par with the S600 and below the S65.
The S63 and S65 confuses me even more than the Alpina and M760i. The S63 is a good amount less than the S65, and it performs better.

In all honesty I have never driven a V12 car, so I might be missing something.
But if the performance is the same, or in the Mercedes case worse, then why pay more just for the bigger engine?

The more I think about it, the more I just feel like I am missing something.
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Alpina 600hp from 4,4l V8 800Nm
BMW 600hp from 6.6l V12 800Nm

Pretty similar except for the engine displacement.
And that's the deal breaker here. V12 = smooth , silent compared to V8 , V12 should deliver higher torque at lower rpm , it should go without any fuss..I don't have all the technical data in front of me but the B7 should be lighter , which means better track performance which again makes no sense here. And the Alpina B7 looks lower , meaner , just better imo , in fact it looks stunning compared to stock BMW , even this M760il.
The main rivals? the top spec Audi A8 (whichever is these days Plus , UberSterk or SuperSUUUUPER ++, The Merc S600 , 63, 65 AMG and what else? Not sure , but what I am 99% sure is that the claimed engine output of 600hp is underrated and is probably more close to mid 700's and the torque is also well above 800Nm..I wonder why BMW does that?
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But if the performance is the same, or in the Mercedes case worse, then why pay more just for the bigger engine?
The S63 4Matic has better traction off the line and the S65 should have a slight edge on the Autobahn, but that's not really the point why.

Besides performance and smoothness, prestige is why manufactures offer V12 engines. If S-Class offers V12 engine and the 7-series doesn't, then the 7er will be considered as one tier below S-Class by the customers in that segment. In fact, BMW offered V12 in the E32 7-Series first in 1986 and Mercedes did not have a V12 in the S-Class until the early 90s IIRC.

Many also purchase the V12 for bragging rights. There isn't much that the M760i can do that the 750i M Sport can't do.

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Alpina 600hp from 4,4l V8 800Nm
BMW 600hp from 6.6l V12 800Nm

Pretty similar except for the engine displacement.
And that's the deal breaker here. V12 = smooth , silent compared to V8 , V12 should deliver higher torque at lower rpm
A V12 can also be a screamer, just depends on the setup from the factory. Let's not forget the BMW S70/2 that powers the legendary McLaren F1 and the Mercedes V12s powering the Pagani Zonda.

With active exhaust, you can easily switch from whisper quiet to holy screamer at a touch of the button. Will be interesting to see which offers a louder and sportier exhaust note. You would think its the B7, but the M760i should have some M to it as well.

I am also very interested in the weight penalty of the M760i compared to the B7 and if that meaningfully affects the handling characteristics of the car.

The ZF 8-Speed gearbox is so good that I am not sure how much more "effortlessness" the V12 can bring. Though given the opportunity and the means to do so, I would go for the M760i in a heartbeat. How can you say no to a V12 borrowed from Rolls Royce?
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