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      08-05-2018, 11:56 PM   #23
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Coming from Camrys and Maxima's I NEVER had one single issue in over 15 yrs.. sure I might of got a lemon but everyone I know who has or had a bimmer lives to eventually regret it..

With all of this how is this brand so popular? The cars are fun but having to be towed on an expressway in Chicago is not fun (believe me)....

This maybe my first and last BMW.. I don't get it....
The 7-series cost $100k or beyond when new. It's not made to run like an ordinary car. It will be expensive to run. As expensive as a $100k+ car would. My point is they if you are comparing running costs to a Camry or Maxima; then you probably are not mentally prepared to own one.
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      08-06-2018, 12:01 AM   #24
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The 7-series cost $100k or beyond when new. It's not made to run like an ordinary car. It will be expensive to run. As expensive as a $100k+ car would. My point is they if you are comparing running costs to a Camry or Maxima; then you probably are not mentally prepared to own one.
Running cost? I've had it for 6 months and at dealer for repair 5 times. I've had my Camrys / Max for 6+ years never had them in a shop..

Mentally prepared? More like mentally challenged to throw my hands in the air and say this is ok because it's a 100k car and accept it.
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I assumed a $100K car wouldn't break down every other month... 3 series?? I'd rather go get a Camry and save $20K
LOL

Go tell that to Range Rover owners
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Running cost? I've had it for 6 months and at dealer for repair 5 times. I've had my Camrys / Max for 6+ years never had them in a shop..

Mentally prepared? More like mentally challenged to throw my hands in the air and say this is ok because it's a 100k car and accept it.
Go buy a Camry or maxima then...
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Running cost? I've had it for 6 months and at dealer for repair 5 times. I've had my Camrys / Max for 6+ years never had them in a shop..

Mentally prepared? More like mentally challenged to throw my hands in the air and say this is ok because it's a 100k car and accept it.
Point proven...
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      08-06-2018, 09:48 AM   #28
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These many repairs are not normal and in some way, not acceptable, correct.

But to judge from owning one high-end luxury car, that the whole brand is not reliable - quite a stretch I would say.

My grandfather had an E28, an E34 and an E39 - all without any major hick-ups and usual repairs for the age / mileage they were in. E28 + E34 even had nothing more done to them other than usual services.

The E39 was handed down to me 2 years ago and again, no major issue. Never let me stranded, just regular maintenance which would occur on a 20-year-old, 200k Camry or ES350 as well.

In over 10 years of ownership, E46 Touring of my dad had no major issues other than a battery that went flat - and unfortunately some new glow plugs because the dealer messed up and didn't diagnose the flat battery from the beginning.

My M3 now had a misfire on cylinder 8 - most likely an ignition coil - which Mk5 GTIs burned through like crazy. I was not amused, but then again, I drive this car hard all the time, it is a toy for me.

The GTR was mentioned here being reliable & cheap, which is more or less true, but if something like the Sat-Nav screen breaks, you can check your piggy bank as well.

Again, one car doesn't represent the whole brand, even one model doesn't represent the whole brand.

What were the actual repairs and could it be, that the dealer may have made issues worse (by not knowing the car well enough etc.), leading to the point that you had to come in again?
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      08-06-2018, 10:04 AM   #29
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The 7 series is the worst bmw you can own from a reliability standpoint
Yep, never owned one but I would have to say IMO the higher you go up in BMW range the lower the reliability and the more expensive the repair costs.
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Serious question. If you come from a background of Camrys and Maximas (Maximii?), why not buy an LS?

Or a GSF?
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First BMW ever I picked up is a 2014 750ix with 26K miles.. still under factory warranty and been in the shop for door handle, oxygen sensor, AC compressor, both high and low pressure fuel pumps, and injector#5...

Because I'm not very confident about the reliability and ever service advisor tells me don't own this 7 series without one I have to spend additional couple of thousands of dollars to get Extended Warranty as original ends in October.

Coming from Camrys and Maxima's I NEVER had one single issue in over 15 yrs.. sure I might of got a lemon but everyone I know who has or had a bimmer lives to eventually regret it..

With all of this how is this brand so popular? The cars are fun but having to be towed on an expressway in Chicago is not fun (believe me)....

This maybe my first and last BMW.. I don't get it....
Wait so you bought a USED BMW with an unknown history
and now you want to make a blanket statement about bad quality?
errrrrr.. u ever buy used cars before? its a crapshoot

FYI I've had ZERO issues besides some squeaking which was recently solved
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insanecoder lol you beat me to it .With purchasing any used vehicle their is a certain amount of risk involved . You really have no idea how it was treated before the 1st lease was up .Most of the folks I know that lease cars treat them like crap .
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OP just sell your car, cut your losses and buy a Japanese car. Seems like you didn't do any research before you got into a BMW and is salty about it. A lot of people like yourself don't account for the cost of ownership on a used german car.
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It's not acceptable and BMW does not have crap for reliability. Please see below:

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My former nissan/infinities were extremely reliable. Surprised to see them that far down your list.
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      08-06-2018, 11:23 AM   #35
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Price of car has never, ever, equated to reliability.
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Price of car has never, ever, equated to reliability.
Yeah, ask Ferrari and Aston Martin owners
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Yeah, ask Ferrari and Aston Martin owners
Exactly. Sounds like this person didn't do their own due diligence in researching the car he was buying. Making assumptions typically falls on the person making the assuming as the person at fault.

I'd look like a fool if I went onto a Ducati forum complaining about the recent routine maintenance bill I had to fork out. $1500 for the 15k service with a 10% discount. I did my research before buying this bike and didn't expect it to be like my ZX-10R which has had nothing but just oil changes.

It sounds harsh but this just seems to be another case of someone chasing a hood emblem.
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That make sense however the stuff that keeps breaking on these cars is not electrical..it's a engine related.. BMW V8 engine is a complete mess. Not my words, BMW service advisors.. I've asked several.
You bought the wrong BMW simply put. The 7 series is a mess of new technologies and stuff crammed in to make it more expensive and have fancy gadgets. And you got the 750i... that engine is not a very common engine so repairs are expensive.

What you should get is a 3 series. It's the most reliable and least maintenance to run. Everything is simplified compared to the 7 series. Mass production numbers mean the bugs get worked out before they put things in the 3 series.

In general for luxury cars, the more expensive and high end it is, the less reliable it is. That's why resale values drop like a rock after the warranty runs out.
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What you should get is a 3 series. It's the most reliable and least maintenance to run.
Statistically, the 2 Series is BMW's most reliable model.
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Statistically, the 2 Series is BMW's most reliable model.
That may be so, but I was thinking the 3 is the most like the 7 series the OP has. Since the 3 series is a sedan and it has a lot of practical space. Nothing wrong with the 2. I'd love an M2 in my stable.
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A lot of the QA issues on those stats are the electronics
the 2 series of course is more stripped down
less of those electronics issues = "more reliability"
thanks but as a DIY, I'll replace whatever is needed.. need those gadgets
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I’m with the OP on this. I’ve had well over 20 BMWs and most have been pretty reliable. I estimate about $1-2k/year in maintenance unless new and under warranty. And I do all maintenance either by the book or ahead - if I hear the slightest noise, it is in the shop. Because I’ve learned that waiting costs money.

But to the OP’s point, how is anything other than bulletproof acceptable these days? I would expect the 7, and new 8 to be super reliable, and when not for the owners to be coddled at these price points (and with BMW’s overall reputation). And really, the whole line should be. But they just are not; and us long-term BMW owners seem to be conditioned to accept less-than-stellar reliability in exchange for better performance?

Well, the performance advantage is shrinking if not gone compared to many brands. And the reliability, which has improved over the last 40 years, has not improved enough. In other words, BMW is becoming less competitive, IMO. They either need to really up their performance advantage, or make a strong reliability move (ideally both). But they seem to be focused on the brand itself (marketing, not engineering) and comfort, so I don’t expect any change. BMW has a lot of success to back up their strategy; it is just slowly leaving me behind.
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I’m with the OP on this. I’ve had well over 20 BMWs and most have been pretty reliable. I estimate about $1-2k/year in maintenance unless new and under warranty. And I do all maintenance either by the book or ahead - if I hear the slightest noise, it is in the shop. Because I’ve learned that waiting costs money.

But to the OP’s point, how is anything other than bulletproof acceptable these days? I would expect the 7, and new 8 to be super reliable, and when not for the owners to be coddled at these price points (and with BMW’s overall reputation). And really, the whole line should be. But they just are not; and us long-term BMW owners seem to be conditioned to accept less-than-stellar reliability in exchange for better performance?

Well, the performance advantage is shrinking if not gone compared to many brands. And the reliability, which has improved over the last 40 years, has not improved enough. In other words, BMW is becoming less competitive, IMO. They either need to really up their performance advantage, or make a strong reliability move (ideally both). But they seem to be focused on the brand itself (marketing, not engineering) and comfort, so I don’t expect any change. BMW has a lot of success to back up their strategy; it is just slowly leaving me behind.
Finally someone who understand... Everyone accepts this is how it is. If you don't like it then you suck and you shouldn't have a BMW... You should of done your research, your not right for the car, go back to a Camry.. blah blah

Just because I drive a $100K car does not mean I want to spend $50K in making it do what it should, work!

I love my 7, best car I've had. Once I can get out with minimal loss I'm never looking back. Like I said, break my wallet.
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Wait so you bought a USED BMW with an unknown history
and now you want to make a blanket statement about bad quality?
errrrrr.. u ever buy used cars before? its a crapshoot

FYI I've had ZERO issues besides some squeaking which was recently solved
I knew the history.. clean. Original owner got it serviced by BMW and it was not a lease. It was lightly used with only 24K miles. No repairs only maintenance items.
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