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Senna/Prost rivalry was far more contentious that Lewis/Max. Senna/Prost absolutely despised each other. Stewards awarded Prost the 89 championship post race in Suzaka. After Senna had restarted after their collision, pitted for front wing and went on to pass for the win. The stewards post race disqualified Senna for cutting the chicane, despite sitting there for an eternity getting his car restarted. For longer than any advantage by cutting the chicane. Hamilton blew through chicane in the beginning of 2021 finale, but received to no penalty. This was a massive controversy back then. If Senna/Prost played out today it would blow Lewis/Max out of the water. Senna declared war on the FIA and its president. FIA had it out for Senna and clearly favored Prost. FIA president at the time was French and so was Prost. Last edited by M3WC; 11-01-2022 at 02:49 PM.. |
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Thought so.
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Max and Lewis arrived at Abu Dhabi both with 369.5 points If Max finished Silverstone even in second place without fastest lap he would arrive at Abu Dhabi with 387.5 points That means Max would have won the championship even if it finished under a safety car and he was in second place. (405.5 vs 394.5 points excluding FASTEST LAP) And that's the most catering scenario for you LH44 boys, so let me know if you want me to show you just how bad Max destroyed Lewis in 2021 by including the other races. Narrowing down 2021 to the last lap of Abu Dhabi is so pathetic, it's almost sad. It's over for Lewis - time to move on. |
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The Hamilton no penalty is not even close to the same. Also FIA didn't confirm the resulting outcome was due to human error made by the race director.
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Max would have clinched the championship at Jeddah. Should I continue? I'm not even assuming Max finishes ahead of Lewis in either of those two races. |
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McLaren took the disqualification to the courts, French courts of all places. This would have a mega controversy if played out today with social media and current F1 tabloid journalism. It was massive back then, really changed F1 and Senna's career. |
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The FIA is famously stubborn for never conceding that any mistake is made on their part, yet expressly called the end of Abu Dabi the result of human error. And now this outcome also the result of a car that was in breach of the regs. Do folks think that these details aren't going to end up on Wikipedia? |
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What really matters , is what happened in 2021/2022 . As I said : This is only the beginning ! Too bad , HAM cannot win a race this year and now has Mercedes many years to catch up .... That's why I can feel your pain , and that really hurts !
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But Renault I think it was did the same and it effectively got ignored, the contrast was with both punishment was as stark as it gets. |
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Oh look, a max vs Lewis thread this has become
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Wait, what the hell are we doing, has it really come to this? Yes, he is very talented but time will tell about the rest of his fanboys claims. HAM is also very talented but they are at opposite ends of their careers so it is nearly impossible to compare them directly. Both are excellent drivers ahead of the vast majority of current and past F1 drivers. |
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It must be the increased social media coverage and such, but it's constant complaining from the teams and drivers. Feels over-dramatized now, every.little.thing. is an issue. Would argue that the races have gotten worse, the past many many years it's been mostly a parade with the only real action being in the mid pack. DRS / Battery boost hasn't really done much to stop the reoccurring parade as they regularly negate each other. Why are there no sprinklers yet? How often are wet races the best, from the panic for wets, is it intermediates? Full wets? When to switch back to slicks? The risks teams take making these decisions, so many quick reactions tossing the positions up in the air. That's fun. But watching P1-6 with little overtakes going around in a circle, 1-4 often being 30+ seconds ahead. Needs more. Fell asleep many races over the past 10+ years due to this. The new technical breakdowns, coverage, strategy explanations, better camera angles, and such are great. The sport was very unapproachable before, and needed a younger audience. Completely agree. Maybe I'm just bored of the sport... Quote:
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It's easy. If the rules were followed in the last few laps Lewis wins.
But FIA never follows rules they make it up as they go, not just in the last 5 laps but the entire season and beyond - eg cost cap penalties and other what nots. Hence Max is champion by merit. Re Robbed, people are entitled to their opinion. AFAIK woke & cancel culture hadn't hit F1. But Maybe it has now. I'd love to see each F1 team must have a woman driver and each W series team have a man driver. Each starting position grid row must have a man and a woman. If the man passes the woman on the straights, 5 second time penalty. Half the mechanics must be women. It's too boring nowadays. Last edited by G30M; 11-01-2022 at 09:10 PM.. |
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It’ll never go away. And it shouldn’t. Massi robbed Hamilton, the British people, and black folk of a deserved and first-ever 8th championship.
Imagine if Hamilton had won last year. And this year some F1 or FIA official free-styled the rules and took Verstappen’s and the Belgium and Dutch folk their first and massively deserved championship? I’m neither Dutch, Belgium or a Verstappen fan, but would feel outraged. And the Belgium and Dutch press and folk and Verstappen fans would be entitled to express their feelings. |
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I think Balestre a few years later also even admitted that he took that decision because of his nationality.
I think the relationship Webber-Vettel was also amongst the most hateful. Regarding RB/Verstappen not speaking to Kravitz anymore: The british media and especially Sky sports is always bashing RB/Max. If that is their game, they can expect that at some point RB won't talk to them anymore. Kravitz was just the straw that broke the camel's back. I'm pretty sure it's in Kravitz/Sky's own power to undo this matter.
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One of the most endearing Verstappen interviews was done by Sky reporter Rachel Brookes. It gave me (and no doubt others) a look into Max as a person that made me see just how genuine an individual he actually is. It was something not revealed by any article I had read or interview I had seen by any other reporter before or since. One can tell he's comfortable answering her questions in those pit lane walk talks. So not all Sky employees have a problem.
One good thing to come from the RBR Mexican Sky boycott was not having to see shallow Christian Horner talk his meaningless talk with the Sky crew....one could only hope that would continue. |
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Max, Ham, Sky, Ted, blah blah blah all meaningless. What is important is that on the broadcasts all we need is more
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