Presenting the BMW M760i xDrive V12 with 600 HP

[clbmw]

Originally Posted by walile

The S63 4Matic has better traction off the line and the S65 should have a slight edge on the Autobahn, but that's not really the point why.

Besides performance and smoothness, prestige is why manufactures offer V12 engines. If S-Class offers V12 engine and the 7-series doesn't, then the 7er will be considered as one tier below S-Class by the customers in that segment. In fact, BMW offered V12 in the E32 7-Series first in 1986 and Mercedes did not have a V12 in the S-Class until the early 90s IIRC.

Many also purchase the V12 for bragging rights. There isn't much that the M760i can do that the 750i M Sport can't do.

A V12 can also be a screamer, just depends on the setup from the factory. Let's not forget the BMW S70/2 that powers the legendary McLaren F1 and the Mercedes V12s powering the Pagani Zonda.

With active exhaust, you can easily switch from whisper quiet to holy screamer at a touch of the button. Will be interesting to see which offers a louder and sportier exhaust note. You would think its the B7, but the M760i should have some M to it as well.

I am also very interested in the weight penalty of the M760i compared to the B7 and if that meaningfully affects the handling characteristics of the car.

The ZF 8-Speed gearbox is so good that I am not sure how much more "effortlessness" the V12 can bring. Though given the opportunity and the means to do so, I would go for the M760i in a heartbeat. How can you say no to a V12 borrowed from Rolls Royce?

How could we ever forget the V12 in the F1

McLaren are doing very well on their own now; let's just hope BMW can do the same... and that this V12 finds its way into something other than a (albeit lovely) limousine.

Everything else trickles down

[remmib]

Originally Posted by CesaroM

Alpina 600hp from 4,4l V8 800Nm
BMW 600hp from 6.6l V12 800Nm

Pretty similar except for the engine displacement.
And that's the deal breaker here. V12 = smooth , silent compared to V8 , V12 should deliver higher torque at lower rpm , it should go without any fuss..I don't have all the technical data in front of me but the B7 should be lighter , which means better track performance which again makes no sense here. And the Alpina B7 looks lower , meaner , just better imo , in fact it looks stunning compared to stock BMW , even this M760il.
The main rivals? the top spec Audi A8 (whichever is these days Plus , UberSterk or SuperSUUUUPER ++, The Merc S600 , 63, 65 AMG and what else? Not sure , but what I am 99% sure is that the claimed engine output of 600hp is underrated and is probably more close to mid 700's and the torque is also well above 800Nm..I wonder why BMW does that?

The Alpina is actually abit more powerfull than the M760i.
The B7 is 447 kW, that's 608 PS (metric horsepower) and 600 SAE hp.
The M760i is 441 kW, that's 600 PS and that should be 592 SAE hp.

[tyler9595]

Originally Posted by Bosozoku

Let me guess. $160K USD?

Sounds about right...

[Stratus650]

First thing id do if i ever buy this is remove those silly badges at the back,

It reminds me of old 740s with an M badge next to it

[Blksnowflake]

Yay, just what I needed, another reason to hate being poor. Officially most absolutely, want!

[Wolf]

I'd shove this engine in an M4 and call it a day. Hell i'd buy the car for it's V12

[BwoodBMW]

Confession: I like the badges.



There, I said it, if I buy a damn V12 the world needs to understand that there are 2 normal people engines in my ubersled.

[AlexLou1222]

Ok, had two 750LI till I switch to a M, now this might bring me back to the 7! Need to know Msrp! 170?

[TheSpook]

A noob question,
Considering M760iL comes with the same engine as Rolls Royce Dawn/Wraith/Ghost which is the N74.
Deosn't BMW N74 come equipped with a couple of Twin-Scroll Turbos? But the PR says a Mono-Scroll?

[N & M]

Originally Posted by Roundown

600hp out of the 4.4L V8 (S63B44T2) but only 600hp out of the 6.6L V12 version?

Why bother with a bespoke engine for this limited-volume platform if you already have a suitable engine in the lineup?

Unless.... we're looking at the next M5/6 engine in a mild state of tune.

The V12 is all about status and elegance. The power delivery is smoother than a V8 and has bragging Kudos with potential show off buyers.

[Roundown]

Originally Posted by CesaroM

You seriously have no idea what you are talking about.

First of all ALPINA cars are very special and Very different from a regular production BMW cars. M performance vs just Alpina tuning or stock M5 vs stock B5 are two separate worlds.

Second , what Brabus does to for example Mercedes cars, for example cls or s or cl class, is pure hardcore and totally another level in my honest humble opinion and for me they make some pretty insane car transformations , like totally from inside out. And they are ridiculously expensive and unreachable. You can compare Brabus tuning to G-Power BMW'S if you want , but NOT Alpina.

ALPINA cars seem so uninspired these days. IMHO- their design language seems married to (or hiding behind) a very dated and and now over-cooked "aftermarket" look. There was a time when their work was subtle, but clearly differentiated. Now it seems as though the new model arrives, they slap on a big tune, big wheels, big chin spoiler, quilted leather and a bunch of badges.

My dealer had a B7 (prior gen) sitting in their show room for months- eventually it sold at price more closely resembling that of a loaded 550i.

With the introduction of a V12 M Performance (Series) 7, how does the B7 survive?

[brad850csi]

Originally Posted by brava09

X5M is petrol and available on RHD with xdrive in UK.

Sorry I should have been more specific, I was talking about 7's. If you ignore the X's and look at normal cars there are also significantly less models available in the UK with xdrive and cars like the M550d not available at all.

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by Roundown

ALPINA cars seem so uninspired these days. IMHO- their design language seems married to (or hiding behind) a very dated and and now over-cooked "aftermarket" look. There was a time when their work was subtle, but clearly differentiated. Now it seems as though the new model arrives, they slap on a big tune, big wheels, big chin spoiler, quilted leather and a bunch of badges.

How does today's Alpina models differ from old Alpina models with regards to design? No one has ever accused Alpina as being "over-cooked" or even aftermarket looking. Compared to Brabus, Alpina is vanilla and almost factory looking.

What do you see in the G11 B7 that you don't see in an E38 Alpina B12 below? Alpina uses the same design, that is, the front lip and any aero kit, the stickers across the side and signature Alpina wheels. All of that is the same and hasn't changed.

As for the interior, the quilted leather/pattern seats are found in the G11. Alpina's philosophy for performance and aesthetics has not changed. The only thing that has changed is the underlying BMW model. Any issues you may have has nothing to do with Alpina and everything to do with the BMW model they're based on. Alpina is simply using what is given to them.

[Roundown]

Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

What do you see in the G11 B7 that you don't see in an E38 Alpina B12 below? Alpina uses the same design, that is, the front lip and any aero kit, the stickers across the side and signature Alpina wheels. All of that is the same and hasn't changed.

This is obviously subjective- but I think the E38 chassis was better suited for Alpina's design philosophy. To me, for instance, the E38 lip spoiler (and whole package) is much more cohesive with the overall design. On the B12, it's much more abrupt, even forced. Perhaps their language/design hasn't kept paced with BMW.

[Blksnowflake]

Originally Posted by BwoodBMW

Confession: I like the badges.



There, I said it, if I buy a damn V12 the world needs to understand that there are 2 normal people engines in my ubersled.

Hell yeah, me too.

[Blackraven]

Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

How does today's Alpina models differ from old Alpina models with regards to design? No one has ever accused Alpina as being "over-cooked" or even aftermarket looking. Compared to Brabus, Alpina is vanilla and almost factory looking.

What do you see in the G11 B7 that you don't see in an E38 Alpina B12 below? Alpina uses the same design, that is, the front lip and any aero kit, the stickers across the side and signature Alpina wheels. All of that is the same and hasn't changed.

As for the interior, the quilted leather/pattern seats are found in the G11. Alpina's philosophy for performance and aesthetics has not changed. The only thing that has changed is the underlying BMW model. Any issues you may have has nothing to do with Alpina and everything to do with the BMW model they're based on. Alpina is simply using what is given to them.

Goddam, those wheels look disgusting.

[Alpina_B3_Lux]

Originally Posted by djsaad1

The S63 and S65 confuses me even more than the Alpina and M760i. The S63 is a good amount less than the S65, and it performs better.

In all honesty I have never driven a V12 car, so I might be missing something.
But if the performance is the same, or in the Mercedes case worse, then why pay more just for the bigger engine?

The more I think about it, the more I just feel like I am missing something.

Not really.

Even though I really love V12 engines and as a matter of principle applaud BMW for continuing to make them, from a technical and performance perspective there is really no point to them. They're heavier and more expensive, while not delivering a substantial power advantage (at least in the present case, as well as with the AMG engines).

It's really all about prestige, the show factor and being able to say I'm driving a more exclusive engine. Otherwise, there is no objective advantage any more.

I'm also surprised at the weight of this thing. In EU trim 2255kg! That is enormous, even considering all wheel drive and the long wheel base.

Another factor that I can't quite understand is why they place the turbo chargers outside of the engine V, and not inside as almost all modern car makers do (for better throttle response, to minimise turbo lag). Maybe BMW thought that with 6.6l displacement this is not really necessary.

[walile]

Originally Posted by Alpina_B3_Lux

Not really.

Even though I really love V12 engines and as a matter of principle applaud BMW for continuing to make them, from a technical and performance perspective there is really no point to them. They're heavier and more expensive, while not delivering a substantial power advantage (at least in the present case, as well as with the AMG engines).

It's really all about prestige, the show factor and being able to say I'm driving a more exclusive engine. Otherwise, there is no objective advantage any more.

I'm also surprised at the weight of this thing. In EU trim 2255kg! That is enormous, even considering all wheel drive and the long wheel base.

Another factor that I can't quite understand is why they place the turbo chargers outside of the engine V, and not inside as almost all modern car makers do (for better throttle response, to minimise turbo lag). Maybe BMW thought that with 6.6l displacement this is not really necessary.

The 750Li xDrive weights 4610lb per BMW USA website

The 760Li xDrive weight 4806lb per this Article

It is not certain how much of the difference are due to the larger motor, as it could also be the result of additional standard equipment on the M760i. The difference while significant, really isn't that bad. To put it into perspective the M760i weight about the same as the S63 4Matic with 5.5L V8.

Since this motor is borrowed directly from Roll Royce, obviously the turbocharger layout and location are retained. I really don't think turbo lag is going to be a concern with this motor.

Novitec and Mansory have tuned this V12 to 708hp and 740hp on the Rolls Royce Ghost and Wraith. I think we will see the M760i run high 11s 1/4 mile stock and maybe into the high 10s with a tune.

[Ganxxta]

Can't wait until G-Power & friends get their hands on that engine, there is plenty of potential. Considering how much they could extract lately from the 'old' NA engines.

[fazman]

Originally Posted by Jason

[bpnews="Presenting the BMW M760i xDrive V12 600 HP"]
Attachment 1363072Today, BMW announced the all-new BMW M760i xDrive, the latest addition to the BMW M Performance line-up. With the introduction of the 2017 BMW M760i xDrive, the sixth generation BMW 7 Series adds the first M Performance TwinPower Turbo 12-cylinder to its offerings. The all-new BMW M760i xDrive combines luxurious driving, style, safety and innovative technologies while embodying M Performance dynamics with the integration of the first 12-cylinder gasoline engine with M Performance Twin Power Turbo technology. The BMW M760i xDrive will arrive early in 2017 and MRSP will be announced closer to launch.

So when can we expect a JB4, FMIC, OCC, and DP's for this? Is RB going to do some upgrade magic here?

Why cheap out with mono scroll turbos in this day and age... i would expect that your going to get four ball bearing, ceramic, twin scroll turbos at this price range come on BMW... really?

[Jason]

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[spuntyb]

Nice. Needs immediate debadging, for the love of all that's holy.