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      10-13-2017, 10:42 AM   #1
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CNET Roadshow: Alpina B7 is an Insider's Secret

Cooley asks, Why have any 7 Series when you can have an Alpina?

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      10-13-2017, 11:53 AM   #2
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I like Alpina's but think the M750i is better looking and the better buy here!
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The couldn't give him one for photos where the front splitter wasn't all bowed up like that?
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Given the huge discounts available on the M760i Id find it tough to justify buying the Alpina
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I have never been a fan of the alpina "aesthetics." Pass.
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I have never been a fan of the alpina "aesthetics." Pass.
Not for the average joe.

It is the sum of the parts not just aesthetics!
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Not feeling the downgrade of the engine from a V12 to a V8 in the Alpina.
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After Driving both for a special event my center put together for our clients.. I must say the only thing I love about the M760 is its looks, and sound in Sport mode.
The Alpina being the full blown understated "old man" car... drives better and just feels downright more alive under full throttle, it delivers the power more directly/effectively, and even though the M760 has such a quicker and flatter torque curve, the car itself feels like its struggling to get to a higher speed/higher gear. Other than the difference in "weight" which is relatively close... I don't know why.
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I think that is the first Alpina styling I have ever liked. Shame about the 0-60.
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I think that is the first Alpina styling I have ever liked. Shame about the 0-60.
Shame? Why? What’s wrong with 3.4 seconds?
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Pretty weird that so few reviews actually adress what's really special about this Alpina compared to the regular 7 Series in the driving experience department, in fact what is special about pretty much any Alpina in this regard, i.e. outstanding performance and handling yet seemingly a superior comfort to regular BMWs, despite the larger wheels. If such chassis prowess is made possible merely through better finetuning (not reworked elements like is the case with the engine), how come BMW engineers aren't coming up with this improved tuning to begin with?




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Pretty weird that so few reviews actually adress what's really special about this Alpina compared to the regular 7 Series in the driving experience department, in fact what is special about pretty much any Alpina in this regard, i.e. outstanding performance and handling yet seemingly a superior comfort to regular BMWs, despite the larger wheels. If such chassis prowess is made possible merely through better finetuning (not reworked elements like is the case with the engine), how come BMW engineers aren't coming up with this improved tuning to begin with?



Exactly my thoughts.
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[quote=advantage20;22308612]Pretty weird that so few reviews actually adress what's really special about this Alpina compared to the regular 7 Series in the driving experience department, in fact what is special about pretty much any Alpina in this regard, i.e. outstanding performance and handling yet seemingly a superior comfort to regular BMWs, despite the larger wheels. If such chassis prowess is made possible merely through better finetuning (not reworked elements like is the case with the engine), how come BMW engineers aren't coming up with this improved tuning to begin with?

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They could if they wanted to. Suspension tuning has a ton of variables and as a result, a huge number of ways to achieve the same result. Buuut I've always felt that BMW's approach to the end result (the ride) was always a bit harsher on the shock absorber's bump setting: control the initial input (hit that crack in the road) versus allow more initial input (softer) and control the variation more firmly after.

Hartge does the same thing as Alpina: soften the bump setting and raise the rebound setting. And as a result, can produce the same overall suspension control but with less harshness. There are a lot of other things they can and do change, but the rebound setting has the largest immediate reduction on impact with a surface variation, while the stiffer rebound still brings it back under control. That is if I remember correctly. Unfortunately it has been some time since I fiddled with shock and spring rates in setups, so I do not remember exact values.
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