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Sure you chose not to debate it, because you know it's false. You think you deserve to mock me, I think you deserve to be called stupid if that's your reaction to being corrected on facts. |
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09-27-2016, 04:38 AM | #68 |
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I've been following a strict low/no carb keto type diet for a while now....my findings so far: I have lost weight, I feel great, I have lots of energy, my sense of taste has really sharpened, I'm enjoying cooking lots of different foods. I feel.....healthy!
I'm not eating blocks of butter and bacon, like some of you seem to think keto diet is based on, but I have stopped drinking alcohol and reduced my overall caloric intake. So whether my success so far is due to this or the fact I'm eating cheese and mayo constantly, whow knows? I think I'm gonna stick with it though thanks :-) |
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You made things up, because there is no such thing as protein intake recommendation for keto, apart from "don't eat too much of it, so it doesn't take you out of ketosis through gluconeogenesis". Keto simply doesn't have protein requirements, but it's a VERY high fat, VERY low carb diet, which usually pushes protein intake into 15-20% range. I don't know where you got 160lbs lean mass from. You realise that's your body mass minus fat? Your average in shape adult male in US would have to be 7ft tall. It's going to be more like 120lbs, which is 13-23% of calories from protein on 2500 RDI based on reddit FAQ. This will vary from person to person, but it's in line with 15-20% range, which is a common guideline. This time you got your math wrong. Bottom line, keto is anything but a high protein diet. The reason you couldn't find it is, because keto is not about protein, and there is no such recommendation. Implying that it is and will damage your kidneys is pure fabrication. Last edited by antych; 09-27-2016 at 05:09 AM.. |
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09-27-2016, 09:04 AM | #70 | |
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As for the risks of a keto diet, there is plenty of literature to support all of my comments. You can point out alternative studies and believe differently, but there are plenty of articles and studies which raise these concerns. The bottom line is that you have drunk gallons of the keto koolaid and are unwilling to tolerate even the mildest question about your belief in the diet. I already know you'll respond with another personal attack so this is my last post in this thread. |
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09-27-2016, 10:08 AM | #71 | |
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The 160lb lean body mass is taken from the Average Weight of an US Male is 196lbs and average body fat percentage is 18%, so that is what I went with. It is also right about where my measurements come out to. As to the point of protein, generally the foods found in Keto diets are protein packed foods (meats). Even Bacon, which is the preferred food of every Keto'er i know, has an almost 1:1 ratio of fatrotein. Will say Keto Flu is real though. been ketoing since friday and not even close to feeling 100%. My gym experience yesterday made me feel like i was gonna die. |
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This is where your problem is, you think it's about "belief". You state your beliefs, I respond with scientific facts, you get butthurt. You went from "body does need sugar to function properly." to "body does need some sugar to function optimally". At least your beliefs are changing gradually towards scientific truth, which is your body doesn't need sugar at all, because of gluconeogenesis. This is facts, science, biology. Learn it. And I really hope this is your last post in this thread, so I don't have to repeat myself. You can challenge me with facts and studies, I'm not here to debate your religious beliefs. |
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09-27-2016, 10:49 AM | #73 | |
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Yes it's typically meat, but all it takes is few spoons of fat on top of your veggies to get into the right macros, because it packs so many calories. I also wouldn't say bacon is preferred, since it's processed meat and lot less healthy than fresh meat with some added olive or coconut oil. |
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5'9 205lbs puts you into "obese" part of the BMI charts. If you have 15% body fat, that makes a very successful bodybuilder. I was talking about normal people on the street, not the ones at the gym.
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And the body builders that compete, are in the single digits. I'm just a guy that's been lifting for years |
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09-27-2016, 01:04 PM | #77 | |
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Where did you get 15% from btw? |
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Of course one diet is not beneficial for everyone, but I'll leave this here for everyone to think about. It is directly from the literature as I was researching GI bacteria.
A diet high in fat derived from milk increases Firmicutes like Bilophila wadsworthia and they have a disruptive effect on our immune system through Th1. A diet high in fat or high in beef increases Firmicutes like Erysiperlotrichaceae and Bacteroides fragilis. Erysiperlotrichaceae are tied to IgA reactions, TNF alpha, and are immunogenic. They are also enriched in colorectal cancer, IBD, and Crohn's Disease. A high fat diet with low fiber decreases butyrate producing bacteria and increases hydrogen sulfide producing bacteria. This decreases short chain fatty acids and increases secondary bile acids like LCA and DCA. A LCA/DCA ratio over 1 is associated with increased risk of gallstones, breast cancer, and colorectal cancer. No one diet is for everyone, but knowing how our food causes bacterial changes to our microbiome is important for long term health. |
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@Kick 6 can you dumb it down a little please? What’s the takeaway relative to the OP?
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Wow, you guys seem to really know what you're talking about.
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I was a 20-25 pound yearly weight swinger my whole life till I found the "atkins" or whatever you want to call it when I was about 40. I used to think "Damn, if I could get to 190, I'd be RIPPED" like most that lie to themselves. Well - I wasn't. Nor at 185, 180, 175, 170. We lie to ourselves and say "BMI chart is BULLSHIT!" It's not.
I didn't like the Atkins, but I used it to find what worked and did not work for me. Now I hang around 165-170 and as long as I simply avoid the easily avoided carbs - my weight takes care of itself. I wish I would have known this in my 20's when I really was in pretty good shape - I would have really been ripped. But we were told to avoid fat and eat tons of carbs and all that horseshit. So now I avoid pasta, pass on the bread, pass on the chips and salsa, avoid the potato sides, avoid the pizza (the one really tough thing) for 90% of my eating and my weight just hangs in the proper window. My advice to people trying it is to use it as a guide - not a solid rule. Find what works for you. I used the test strips to find out what triggered me and what didn't so I could keep things that didn't (like ice cream for me) and avoid what did the most (pasta and bread for me) and work into something that is sustainable. I don't count shit - I just avoid the things I know mess me up and enjoy my life. One of the few life changing things I have found in my life.
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