Frozen Paint Education

[jwmFcreek]

Frozen black paint looks amazing and on the lines on the XM the shades and colors are endless . Love it. It’s a super strong paint and certainly not as a scary as I thought when I first got the bmw home I was scared nervous everything that was that being said about frozen paint .

I have learned it’s a incredible tough paint … I cannot count how much money I spent on products I will never use . It’s much simpler then I ever thought . The paint is very strong and clear coat very smootg

1. Matt soaps and such are wise tales hang on to your pocket book it’s crazy the pressure Matt products I was sucked in . I use Jimbo’s super soaker it’s perfect to foam cannon and . I do not pre rinse .

2. I stopped contact washing don’t have to the paint lets the good foam clean the car and avoid cleaning swirls that can happen .contact wash only if need it’s very very rare . Something about the frozen a good foam really works well

3. Water marks … vinegar and water 40 % of vinegar takes all water marks and no smears .

4. Ceramic spray hard as shell love the product doesn’t change the finish at all .

5. BMW leather protector on a sponge for the interior .

6 . Not doing 5 year ceramic do not want a stronger chemical on my car like the water based hard as shell spray .

7. Adam’s glass cleaner works the best for me . With there green glass to remove streaks .

Won’t do the PPf anymore then my front because I appreciate the frozen paint my PPF very high end is not the same as the paint and PPf … if I get chips and scratches etc fine I ll take my PPF money towards a new paint job until then I am ok and enjoying the many colors of frozen paint on the XM .

My system is pretty easy and simple now thankfully

[X5MnM3comp]

Originally Posted by jwmFcreek

Frozen black paint looks amazing and on the lines on the XM the shades and colors are endless . Love it. It’s a super strong paint and certainly not as a scary as I thought when I first got the bmw home I was scared nervous everything that was that being said about frozen paint .

I have learned it’s a incredible tough paint … I cannot count how much money I spent on products I will never use . It’s much simpler then I ever thought . The paint is very strong and clear coat very smootg

1. Matt soaps and such are wise tales hang on to your pocket book it’s crazy the pressure Matt products I was sucked in . I use Jimbo’s super soaker it’s perfect to foam cannon and . I do not pre rinse .

2. I stopped contact washing don’t have to the paint lets the good foam clean the car and avoid cleaning swirls that can happen .contact wash only if need it’s very very rare . Something about the frozen a good foam really works well

3. Water marks … vinegar and water 40 % of vinegar takes all water marks and no smears .

4. Ceramic spray hard as shell love the product doesn’t change the finish at all .

5. BMW leather protector on a sponge for the interior .

6 . Not doing 5 year ceramic do not want a stronger chemical on my car like the water based hard as shell spray .

7. Adam’s glass cleaner works the best for me . With there green glass to remove streaks .

Won’t do the PPf anymore then my front because I appreciate the frozen paint my PPF very high end is not the same as the paint and PPf … if I get chips and scratches etc fine I ll take my PPF money towards a new [...]

I feel exactly the same. It’s not that scary. Easier to maintain than gloss paint imo.

[MJBO]

Sure, sure.

I just satin PPFed Black Sapphire Metallic and don't have to worry about any of it. Looks the same as Frozen Black.

[X5MnM3comp]

Originally Posted by MJBO

Sure, sure.

I just satin PPFed Black Sapphire Metallic and don't have to worry about any of it. Looks the same as Frozen Black.

Smart move. I did this to my x5mc f95 black sapphire too because I really like the stealth look on black. To me that’s the only way I can justify paying for a full body ppf because of the dual purpose of paint protection and paint finish change. Although I did just get my frozen white g80 ppf on the full front end and carbon roof, I just feel like the $ spent vs level of satisfaction ratio is no where compared to the ppf on f95 due to lack of visual pleasure improvement

[jwmFcreek]

I love the feedback on frozen paint … as a person who has PPf on the front hood and front end I feel better having the PPF on the hood absolutely… I was new 5 months ago to all of this because i fell in love with the frozen paint look to me was great still is the angles on the xm car cause the many shades and color changes love it . The fear I had for messing this finish up was more then anything I ever purchased … its nuts the more I read and studied buy this special product do this coating do this PPF spend more money cover up what you like … I actually stood in stores shopping all PPf and wraps in general . Mean while buying more Matt black product then a pro detailer crazy . BMW didnt lay out a clear path to take care of just soap and water and I wasn’t educated on the paint to ask the right questions either.

I hand wash only and that is done mainly by contactless foam wash …dirt doesn’t stick to this paint well at all .

I chose not to PPF the rest and enjoy the paint as I purchased the car and use a ceramic spray that is water based that doesn’t change the finish was a very slow process to find . I love the frozen black look the way it is … I bought so much product out of fear I feel now that I can maintain the look I ll take my chances when a scratch happens hopefully I can live with it and if like any dent in a car happens I ll cross that bridge when I have to and if by chance I need to take my PPF money and apply it to new paint then that’s the price I pay for having this nice car and the look I wanted .

This frozen paint is the hardest and strongest paint I ever had on a car and now that I know how to take care and maintain it easily and properly I enjoy the car so much more . Best to all

[CJ421]

I agree jwmFcreek that maintaining this paint isn't any more difficult than normal paint. In a way, it's less work since you can't use any wax/sealants. Wash, dry, then (optionally) use a matte-specific detailer; that's it.

That said, I would be very uncomfortable using a foam cannon/pressure washer only. I am not sure that would remove all the dirt particles. I use a wash mitt (bought a nice one ...Gyeon Smoothie) very lightly and that seems to work fine.

Charles

[jwmFcreek]

Charles

Well said yes you may have to contact wash yes I agree … but it’s easier then gloss and the dirt comes off easier I think

[LDT]

I'm seriously looking at a well equipped CPO 2023 M850i. The one thing holding me back it is frozen Tanzanite Blue. The paint is in good shape and if I'm reading these posts correctly the consensus is that using a foam cannon with matte compatible products such as Jimbo's or Dr. Beasley's is all I need on a regular basis. I live in SC and rarely does my car get mud or grime. It'll be an around towner and short tripper and it'll always be garaged.
So y'all are helping me get over my fear of maintaining frozen paint for the most part.

[jwmFcreek]

Originally Posted by LDT

I'm seriously looking at a well equipped CPO 2023 M850i. The one thing holding me back it is frozen Tanzanite Blue. The paint is in good shape and if I'm reading these posts correctly the consensus is that using a foam cannon with matte compatible products such as Jimbo's or Dr. Beasley's is all I need on a regular basis. I live in SC and rarely does my car get mud or grime. It'll be an around towner and short tripper and it'll always be garaged.
So y'all are helping me get over my fear of maintaining frozen paint for the most part.

LDT

I am just at year with the frozen black XM label …the look it gives out is so unique
would not have another color . Like I said the panic I had was way over blown …the smoothness of the frozen black really lets me foam cannon 99 % of the washes my car has dirt just slides off to me . I did PPF the front and hood glad I did . I still use Jimbo’s tested the PH levels everyone panics about his PH was less then 1 % over my city water and only sits on my car for 5 minutes or less inside during the wash anyway . Water spots would freak me out I use vinegar and water sprayer on a good Micro towel and always wipes with no worries . Every 5 washes I use his hard as shell to protect and love it . I tried them all ….the hard as shell I went slow inside the doors first for a month then a panel etc…I wish you good luck I sold all my Matt black products on e bay

[willterry]

Hi, everyone,

I am new to ppf.

I am about to have an X6 frozen grey undergo ppf (XPEL). Almost virtually every shop has stated that the XPEL stealth is the way to go for this one bc of the X6's matte paint. However, one shop, which provided a very fair price, has insisted that XPEL ultimate fusion should be used as it is invisible and 'is the highest level of protection with more hydrophobic properties and includes ceramic coating." More importantly, the shop also claims that the XPEL ultimate fusion 'will maintain the same exact matte finish' on my frozen grey.' The shop also calls it product 'fully body matte ppf expel ultimate fusion premium quality' on the invoice estimate.

When I talk to all other shops whose quotes I have acquired, they are emphatic to say that only XPEL stealth should be used on an original frozen gray (matte), and that using ultimate fusion will certainly turn the original frozen grey color glossy. The other shop that has offered a good price on ultimate fusion denies this still, and says ultimate fusion will retain the factory matte finish as it is invisible.

Advice? Thoughts? Any help? Does anyone have any experience putting ultimate fusion on an original matte paint?


Thanks, in advance,

Will

[c1pher]

So what do you use to clean the paint? Windex?

[MJBO]

Originally Posted by willterry

Hi, everyone,

I am new to ppf.

I am about to have an X6 frozen grey undergo ppf (XPEL). Almost virtually every shop has stated that the XPEL stealth is the way to go for this one bc of the X6's matte paint. However, one shop, which provided a very fair price, has insisted that XPEL ultimate fusion should be used as it is invisible and 'is the highest level of protection with more hydrophobic properties and includes ceramic coating." More importantly, the shop also claims that the XPEL ultimate fusion 'will maintain the same exact matte finish' on my frozen grey.' The shop also calls it product 'fully body matte ppf expel ultimate fusion premium quality' on the invoice estimate.

When I talk to all other shops whose quotes I have acquired, they are emphatic to say that only XPEL stealth should be used on an original frozen gray (matte), and that using ultimate fusion will certainly turn the original frozen grey color glossy. The other shop that has offered a good price on ultimate fusion denies this still, and says ultimate fusion will retain the factory matte finish as it is invisible.

Advice? Thoughts? Any help? Does anyone have any experience putting ultimate fusion on an original matte paint?


Thanks, in advance,

Will

The shop pushing XPEL ultimate fusion for a Frozen paint are idiots. XPEL literally describe ULTIMATE FUSION as "high gloss".

If they can't figure out that a gloss film will result in a gloss finish, they shouldn't be anywhere near someone's car with a razor blade.

[dudley@07726]

Originally Posted by MJBO

The shop pushing XPEL ultimate fusion for a Frozen paint are idiots. XPEL literally describe ULTIMATE FUSION as "high gloss".

If they can't figure out that a gloss film will result in a gloss finish, they shouldn't be anywhere near someone's car with a razor blade.

I agree.

[willterry]

Originally Posted by dudley@07726

I agree.

That's what I thought. I thank you both!

[visualexstasy]

Absolutely love your car. Did you debadge and do you have black emblems or standard bmw ones? Just got my first matte black car and not sure if I should completely black it out or not.

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[mhx]

I just picked up a m340i in frozen blue too. At first I was on the fence about getting it because of paint, but after reading and learning it doesn't seem bad.

Its by far the best looking car paint I have ever had. Pics attached are from pickup, I haven't touched it yet.

jwmFcreek

I like your simple approach. I really dont want PPF or long term coating either. All though PPF on the front bumper might worth some rock chip protection. Problem with Coatings, they cant be polished off if something fails on frozen paint.

I just want a good drying aid with protection that lasts 2-4 weeks max w/ good hydro properties. SiO2 based or ceramic based.

Considering:
Drbeasleys Matte Paint Hero (prob will last 2-4 weeks between washes)
Jimbos tough as shell
Drbeasleys Matte Bead Hero (up to 6months)

Have you tested any of these?
Adam's Matte Detailer
Chemical guys Meticulous Matte Detailer Spray & Sealant for Crisp Satin & Matte Finishes

What else have you tried besides JUMBOS tough as shell for protection between washes?

What are you using that AQUA shine for?

[CJ421]

Originally Posted by mhx

Have you tested any of these?
Adam's Matte Detailer
Chemical guys Meticulous Matte Detailer Spray & Sealant for Crisp Satin & Matte Finishes

What else have you tried besides JUMBOS tough as shell for protection between washes?

Congrats on the car - that's a great color.

I have used the Chemical Guys Meticulous Matte detailer, it works fine. I have switched to Gyeon Cure Matte. Nothing against Chemical Guys -- I'm just trying to stick to a few brands to simplify supply ordering.

Those sprays will create the water beading effect. It wears off after two or three washes in my experience. I reapply a light coat every other wash, it takes less than 10 minutes. Spray on the towel, wipe, then wipe with a dry cloth.

Note that no coating (ceramic, etc.) is going to protect your car from rock chips or debris. For that, you need PPF. I did PPF on the front bumper and "high impact" areas and it was money well spent for the peace of mind.

This is my second matte car. I don't go crazy with the products out there. Simple soap (Meguiar's Gold Class is what I use, it's about $15 for a large container at Harbor Freight), quality microfiber cloths and wash mitts (Gyeon makes great ones), and then a matte instant detailer like the ones mentioned above. That's really it.

Charles

[mhx]

Originally Posted by CJ421

Congrats on the car - that's a great color.

I have used the Chemical Guys Meticulous Matte detailer, it works fine. I have switched to Gyeon Cure Matte. Nothing against Chemical Guys -- I'm just trying to stick to a few brands to simplify supply ordering.

Those sprays will create the water beading effect. It wears off after two or three washes in my experience. I reapply a light coat every other wash, it takes less than 10 minutes. Spray on the towel, wipe, then wipe with a dry cloth.

Note that no coating (ceramic, etc.) is going to protect your car from rock chips or debris. For that, you need PPF. I did PPF on the front bumper and "high impact" areas and it was money well spent for the peace of mind.

This is my second matte car. I don't go crazy with the products out there. Simple soap (Meguiar's Gold Class is what I use, it's about $15 for a large container at Harbor Freight), quality microfiber cloths and wash mitts (Gyeon makes great ones), and then a matte instant detailer like the ones mentioned above. That's really it.

Charles

I saw Gyeon Cure Matte too. Looks like a good option. Are you using Gyeon Cure Matte as a drying aid each wash?

[mhx]

also... Meguiar's Gold Class Car Wash Shampoo and Conditioner does not contain wax but instead leaves a "just-waxed look" by using conditioners and gloss enhancers to boost paint shine and protection.

I plan to use Adams soap

[CJ421]

Originally Posted by mhx

I saw Gyeon Cure Matte too. Looks like a good option. Are you using Gyeon Cure Matte as a drying aid each wash?

I didn't know it could be used as a drying aid - how does that work?

After rinsing off, I use an electric leaf blower, then blot what's left with a big Gyeon Silk Dryer. Then I use the detailer.

Meguiar's says Gold Class is safe for all paint types, but if you find a reference where it says not to use it on matte paint, I'm interested.
https://www.meguiars.com/automotive/...4-64-oz-liquid

Charles

[mhx]

Google AI:

Can Meguiar's Gold Class damage a matte finish?
Yes, Meguiar's Gold Class Car Wash can potentially damage a matte finish. Its ultra-rich paint conditioners are specifically designed to enhance gloss, which is directly contrary to the desired effect of a matte finish.
How Gold Class could damage a matte finish
Adds unwanted shine: The conditioners and gloss enhancers in Gold Class can fill in the microscopic texture that gives matte paint its signature flat look. This will create shiny, uneven, or "blotchy" spots that will ruin the uniform matte appearance.
Irreversible damage: If you use a gloss-enhancing product on a matte finish, the damage is typically permanent. Unlike traditional glossy paint, a matte finish cannot be polished or buffed to correct shiny spots.
Not designed for matte: Meguiar's clearly specifies that many of its gloss-enhancing products, including some of the Gold Class line, are "not for use on flat, matte, or satin finishes".


It has no wax, but some sort of conditioners which MAY not be good.

[CJ421]

Yeah, I was looking for more of a professional reference. But thanks for that anyway.

At any rate -- I've used Meguiar's Gold Class for 4 years on my matte cars with no ill effects.

Charles